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Amen to that!!!
Glock vs. HK USP vs. Walther P99
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I've shot all three.
USP - Most accurate, but didn't really like the ergonomics of it and it is prohibitively expensive.
Glock 19 - Least accurate, horrible ergonomics, but good price.
P99 - Slightly less accurate than the USP, best ergonomics and affordable.
And I own a P99 Military 9mm.
USP - Most accurate, but didn't really like the ergonomics of it and it is prohibitively expensive.
Glock 19 - Least accurate, horrible ergonomics, but good price.
P99 - Slightly less accurate than the USP, best ergonomics and affordable.
And I own a P99 Military 9mm.
NewShooter78
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My vote goes to...
the SIG Pro .40. I've fired the P99 and didn't really care for it. I like the HK USP a lot, and I really don't care for the Glock either. The P99 just didn't feel right in my hands, nor did the Glock. I couldn't afford the HK, so I went with the SP2340 instead, and I really like the gun a lot.
the SIG Pro .40. I've fired the P99 and didn't really care for it. I like the HK USP a lot, and I really don't care for the Glock either. The P99 just didn't feel right in my hands, nor did the Glock. I couldn't afford the HK, so I went with the SP2340 instead, and I really like the gun a lot.
fatboyclone
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glocks.. eh
walther... no experience with one
HK... WOOHOO! an amazing example of what all guns should be.
you know what they say...a HK is a glock only fully gestated!
walther... no experience with one
HK... WOOHOO! an amazing example of what all guns should be.
you know what they say...a HK is a glock only fully gestated!
lyricsdad
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I own a p99, love the grip, you can adjust it w/ removable straps. its way more accurate than i am. I myself think the usp is a "cool" pistol, i wouldnt mind owning one, and I know in the future i will own a glock. If you want to get the best bang for the buck, am betting glock.
I have a Glock 34, a SW99 and Walther P99 and a new HK USP. All guns are 9mm.
The SW99 is my fav. I had the slides on both my compact Walther and the SW99 hardchromed. Now, they are really sweet looking.
I am the most accurate with my SW99, and the grip is very ergonomic. I shoot the USP almost as well. I will admit that the grip is like a brick - I shoot it well, so I like it, but it is not that comfortable to hold. I like the cocked and locked feature of the USP, and the SA pull has such a crisp break on mine that I love it.
I like mY Glock 34, and have prev had a G17,19 and 26. The 34 is the only one I like, because it has a lighter trigger pull stock. But, I don't shoot it quite as well as my HK and SW99.
The SW99 is my fav. I had the slides on both my compact Walther and the SW99 hardchromed. Now, they are really sweet looking.
I am the most accurate with my SW99, and the grip is very ergonomic. I shoot the USP almost as well. I will admit that the grip is like a brick - I shoot it well, so I like it, but it is not that comfortable to hold. I like the cocked and locked feature of the USP, and the SA pull has such a crisp break on mine that I love it.
I like mY Glock 34, and have prev had a G17,19 and 26. The 34 is the only one I like, because it has a lighter trigger pull stock. But, I don't shoot it quite as well as my HK and SW99.
Own a P99 and G19, limited trigger time behind the USPc (~200rnds).
P99 is my choice,
First off, these are all solid tried and true designs. Reliability is going to be pretty much the same between them. I'm still amazed that Walther didn't get sued for the P99 by Glock they are so similar. I should take picks of the undersides of the slides side by side to illustrate the point.
Accuracy: I can't see any reason why any of these designs would be more mechanically accurate than the others. I think it all comes down to grip and trigger fit.
I like the P99 better than the Glock because of the grip, the trigger (AS), the looks, the mag capacity, and most especially the mag release.
I like the P99 better than the H&K for the same reasons, plus price, plus customer service (never dealt with them, but the company's business model is irritating with it's lack of catering to the civillian market). Good gun, and the beginning of my love affair with lever mag releases. However, unless you are concerned about long term holster wear, the P99 is superior in every way (at least to me). The HK finish is definately harder than whatever the black stuff on the P99 is, and doesn't scratch as easy.
The P99 trigger seems to be a Love/Hate thing. I love the stress buffer on the first trigger pull, mine is about 9lbs and very smooth after 20K rounds. The single action is short and crisp (~4lbs) with an extremely short reset. I also don't pinch my finger when pulling the trigger, that seems to be a common complaint.
Concealability goes to the Glock (albeit not by much, every bit helps).
To each his own though. Anyone who has spent a decade with any one weapon configuration is going to take comfort in being proficient with his or her weapon, and shouldn't switch until we figure out the whole phaser thing.
P99 is my choice,
First off, these are all solid tried and true designs. Reliability is going to be pretty much the same between them. I'm still amazed that Walther didn't get sued for the P99 by Glock they are so similar. I should take picks of the undersides of the slides side by side to illustrate the point.
Accuracy: I can't see any reason why any of these designs would be more mechanically accurate than the others. I think it all comes down to grip and trigger fit.
I like the P99 better than the Glock because of the grip, the trigger (AS), the looks, the mag capacity, and most especially the mag release.
I like the P99 better than the H&K for the same reasons, plus price, plus customer service (never dealt with them, but the company's business model is irritating with it's lack of catering to the civillian market). Good gun, and the beginning of my love affair with lever mag releases. However, unless you are concerned about long term holster wear, the P99 is superior in every way (at least to me). The HK finish is definately harder than whatever the black stuff on the P99 is, and doesn't scratch as easy.
The P99 trigger seems to be a Love/Hate thing. I love the stress buffer on the first trigger pull, mine is about 9lbs and very smooth after 20K rounds. The single action is short and crisp (~4lbs) with an extremely short reset. I also don't pinch my finger when pulling the trigger, that seems to be a common complaint.
Concealability goes to the Glock (albeit not by much, every bit helps).
To each his own though. Anyone who has spent a decade with any one weapon configuration is going to take comfort in being proficient with his or her weapon, and shouldn't switch until we figure out the whole phaser thing.
progunner1957
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I have three Glocks - the 22, the 21 and the 30. If Glocks are too blocky for your hand, send them to Robar and get the Glock grip reduction. After that, a Glock will actually fit the human hand.
I also have a H&K USP45 full size. I have carried all four of these pistols and feel like I am well protected by any one of them. The H&K costs more than a Glock, but a Glock with the grip reduction is in the same ballpark pricewise as the USP45.
If you compare the Glock 21 and the H&K USP45, you are comparing apples and oranges - the actions are totally different. If I had to pick one, I'd probably pick the Glock 21 with the grip reduction over the H&K USP45.
Why?
1: The USP magazines cost nearly TWICE as much as mags for the Glock 21 [[BIG factor]].
2: The Glock mags are 13 rounds vs. 12 for the full size USP.
3: The Glock's trigger pull is consistent - no DA first shot, SA all others.
4: The USP's DA pull is very heavy, although it can be improved by a gunsmith that knows how to work on the USP line of pistols.
5: Glocks are the easiest auto to learn to shoot well in the least amount of time.
6: Glock is the gold standard for reliability.
7: Glocks are much like revolvers in their operation - very straightforward, no external safety, no decocker, etc.
8: At any major gun show, you will most likely find 1 or 2 Glock trained armorers who can do any number of modifications to your Glock while you wait, including installing tritium night sights.
As for the USP45, you can carry it as a DA auto, or carry it in condition one (cocked and locked) like a 1911, avoiding the heavy DA first shot. It is the only auto that gives you both DA and SA options.
IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock or an H&K; it it a matter of preference. Either will serve you well.
I also have a H&K USP45 full size. I have carried all four of these pistols and feel like I am well protected by any one of them. The H&K costs more than a Glock, but a Glock with the grip reduction is in the same ballpark pricewise as the USP45.
If you compare the Glock 21 and the H&K USP45, you are comparing apples and oranges - the actions are totally different. If I had to pick one, I'd probably pick the Glock 21 with the grip reduction over the H&K USP45.
Why?
1: The USP magazines cost nearly TWICE as much as mags for the Glock 21 [[BIG factor]].
2: The Glock mags are 13 rounds vs. 12 for the full size USP.
3: The Glock's trigger pull is consistent - no DA first shot, SA all others.
4: The USP's DA pull is very heavy, although it can be improved by a gunsmith that knows how to work on the USP line of pistols.
5: Glocks are the easiest auto to learn to shoot well in the least amount of time.
6: Glock is the gold standard for reliability.
7: Glocks are much like revolvers in their operation - very straightforward, no external safety, no decocker, etc.
8: At any major gun show, you will most likely find 1 or 2 Glock trained armorers who can do any number of modifications to your Glock while you wait, including installing tritium night sights.
As for the USP45, you can carry it as a DA auto, or carry it in condition one (cocked and locked) like a 1911, avoiding the heavy DA first shot. It is the only auto that gives you both DA and SA options.
IMO, you can't go wrong with a Glock or an H&K; it it a matter of preference. Either will serve you well.
I love my USP9
Everyone complains about the price. $200 is not going to stop me from getting the pistol that I want, and I intend to keep it for quite a long time. $200 over 7-10 years is NOTHING. I spent $150 on hi-cap mags, I didn't let the cost discourage me on that either.
If everyone didn't buy what they wanted just because of cost, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus would be out of business. Yeah a Yugo will get you from point A to point B just like a BMW will, but I would rather be driving the BMW.
Everyone complains about the price. $200 is not going to stop me from getting the pistol that I want, and I intend to keep it for quite a long time. $200 over 7-10 years is NOTHING. I spent $150 on hi-cap mags, I didn't let the cost discourage me on that either.
If everyone didn't buy what they wanted just because of cost, BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus would be out of business. Yeah a Yugo will get you from point A to point B just like a BMW will, but I would rather be driving the BMW.
The HK is the best. I would choose Glock second. The price is better than a Walter and it just seems like a cut and dry pistol (reliable and accurate). The Walther is last. However, all three guns are excellent choices. It is really a matter of personal preference, but HK is master of domain in the gun world.
Tough call between the HK (P2000) and the Walther. Both feel just right, reliable, good chamber support, plenty accurate, etc. But the HK has a loooong trigger that is...annoying - just too much travel. The Walther QA has a great trigger - short pull, no slop, and it has the great decocker. The P2000 is a real nice size for CCW w/o going into the subcompacts - but side by side the Walther is a better shooter. Glock grip/angle kill them right off the bat, so not even close to the other 2.
I have owned both a Glock 19 and a Walther P99(AS). Both were dead nuts reliable, accurate and roughly the same size. I eventually got rid of the P99 and kept the G19 for three reasons:
(1) Like many others, I experienced the dread P99 finger pinch. Probably not an issue on the newer P99s since the trigger guard has been changed. Sure, I could have taken the Dremmel to it, but I'm just not a fan of user mods that kill resale value.
(2) While the AS trigger is wonderful in SA mode, it is very long and heavy in DA mode. Then, to make matters worse for a stupid guy like me, there was also the "other" mode - the DA pull length combined with the SA weight. The old Glock, with its mushy (but consistent) trigger is really simple.
(3) Mags, parts, sights, etc. seem to be much cheaper and more readily available for the Glock.
On the other hand, there are two things I really liked about the P99 - the grip was much more comfortable - though I sometimes wonder whether that's a big deal. I noticed absolutely no difference in how well I shot between the two pistols. In fact, I'm probably a little less awful with the Glock. Second, for a guy with small hands, the mag release on the P99 was really nice - I could drop the mag with my trigger finger without changing my grip.
Heck, both are darned good guns. Can't really go wrong with either. For me, the G19 won by a hair...
-SlimeDog
PS: Take a look at the Sig Pro. While they getted panned by the metal-Sig-purists, they're really nice pistols with great DA/SA triggers.
(1) Like many others, I experienced the dread P99 finger pinch. Probably not an issue on the newer P99s since the trigger guard has been changed. Sure, I could have taken the Dremmel to it, but I'm just not a fan of user mods that kill resale value.
(2) While the AS trigger is wonderful in SA mode, it is very long and heavy in DA mode. Then, to make matters worse for a stupid guy like me, there was also the "other" mode - the DA pull length combined with the SA weight. The old Glock, with its mushy (but consistent) trigger is really simple.
(3) Mags, parts, sights, etc. seem to be much cheaper and more readily available for the Glock.
On the other hand, there are two things I really liked about the P99 - the grip was much more comfortable - though I sometimes wonder whether that's a big deal. I noticed absolutely no difference in how well I shot between the two pistols. In fact, I'm probably a little less awful with the Glock. Second, for a guy with small hands, the mag release on the P99 was really nice - I could drop the mag with my trigger finger without changing my grip.
Heck, both are darned good guns. Can't really go wrong with either. For me, the G19 won by a hair...
-SlimeDog
PS: Take a look at the Sig Pro. While they getted panned by the metal-Sig-purists, they're really nice pistols with great DA/SA triggers.
Ive never shot a hk. I got my first handgun a year and a half ago or so, i thought about it for a long time before that, and was obsessed with getting a glock, spent hours online researching etc, then went to a dealer, held one for two minutes and changed my mind, just didnt like the way it felt in my hand. I got a P99 and love it, I dont have tons of experience but ive held/shot a few guns and the p99 is my favorite. sa/da trigger is great.
xsnydx
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I've shot all 3, although my time with a glock and P99 is limited. No matter what Glock I've shot, the trigger guard always seems to pinch me. I like the way the P99 shoots and feels, but don't have the time with it to make a pick between it and my P2000...that and I'm not too sure I like the decocker on the P99. I love my P2000...some people hate the LEM trigger, but I can't get enough of it. I've also never had a single malfunction with it. As for feel, the reason I originally bought the P2000 was the fact that is just fit better than all the others. It's also easy to carry...I'm very happy with my P2000 and every other HK I've ever shot. But, at the same time, to each his own...
ezypikns
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Had a Glock 34, have a USP .40....
Sold the Glock. Just not for me. I do believe they are great firearms though. I'll never sell the USP .40. It just fits me better, and I shoot it better than any semi auto I've owned. Don't know about the Walther.
Sold the Glock. Just not for me. I do believe they are great firearms though. I'll never sell the USP .40. It just fits me better, and I shoot it better than any semi auto I've owned. Don't know about the Walther.
MTMilitiaman
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Never dealt with the Walter so I'll ignore it. Have a USP 45 Tactical and a Glock 20--looking to sell USP to get another Glock. The USP short strokes on a regular basis, even with ball ammo, doesn't have the promised loaded chamber indicator and actually appears to have a chip in the extractor, and both of the included mags will fail to lock the slide back after the last round at least half the time. What's more is that I paid nearly a grand for it and it came like this out of the box. It also has a much higher bore axis resulting in much increased muzzle flip over the Glock. My Glock is a 10mm and even shooting full power Double Tap loads does not demonstrate the muzzle flip of the HK. This combined with the Glock's far better trigger and shorter trigger reset allow me to stay on target much easier. The Glock's more natural grip angle (for me) allows me to get on target faster, so for me, there is simply no comparrison. The Glock has been more reliable, equally accurate, and cost me half as much as the HK. Glock mags are 20 bucks as opposed to 50, accessories and parts are easy to find and can be installed yourself. Coco could detail a Glock, but trying to do the same to an HK is a certifiable PITA. Having owned both and set them side by side, I can say without a doubt that the Glock's quality is in everything equal to or greater than the HK. I am not opposed to spending good money if you get what you pay for. But in my experience, the increased cost of the HK does not result in a cooresponding increase in quality. IMO, one is better off to get the Glock and spend the money they save over the HK on extra mags and ammo.
My Glock 20 must be defective. My Double Tap cartridges demonstrate a lot of muzzle flip in my G20 and much more so than my HK USP .45F even loaded with fairly hot 230 grain +P Corbon. You using lighter grain bullets or something? I killed some rotten squash with both guns the weekend before last.
MTMilitiaman
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No I've used Double Tap's 180 gr FMJ Match load for practice and their 180 gr Gold Dot load for defense. Now I am loading a 180 gr XTP over 800x.
The muzzle flip is there, but it isn't as uncomfortable to me as the HK. With the Glock it is straight up and back, and just rolls back on target so fast you don't really notice it. Or at least I don't. With the HK, I remember it being a lot more of a torquing motion. I could never fire as fast or as accurate with the HK as I can with the Glock. I use to think the bore axis thing was overrated until I went from an HK to a Glock and then I was like "wow." Even with the Double Taps, the Glock 20 seems far more comfortable and easier to handle than either the HK or the Springfield Armory 1911 my brother loves so much.
Maybe I am remembering the HK as worse than it was. I haven't shot it in a while cause it is no fun doing only malfunction drills...
The muzzle flip is there, but it isn't as uncomfortable to me as the HK. With the Glock it is straight up and back, and just rolls back on target so fast you don't really notice it. Or at least I don't. With the HK, I remember it being a lot more of a torquing motion. I could never fire as fast or as accurate with the HK as I can with the Glock. I use to think the bore axis thing was overrated until I went from an HK to a Glock and then I was like "wow." Even with the Double Taps, the Glock 20 seems far more comfortable and easier to handle than either the HK or the Springfield Armory 1911 my brother loves so much.
Maybe I am remembering the HK as worse than it was. I haven't shot it in a while cause it is no fun doing only malfunction drills...
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Before I bought my first gun I went and shot several different makes and models to get a feel for the one I like the most.
The one that stood out the most for me was the Hk. For me it was the overall feel of the gun when I shot it, held it, reloaded it. It just worked for ME. Trust me I tried talking myself out of the Hk line up do to the price but damn in the end my life is not worth saving a few bucks, so I got the Hk because I felt the best with it.
I have never had one malfunction with any of the Hk handguns I own. The ONLY time i have ever seen a problem with any Hk was when other people have been shooting them with NON-HK branded magazine being used. The gun just didn't like cheap knock off mags.
In the end it comes down to what feels solid in a persons hands. Go to a range that rents guns and try them all out. Put the lead down range and think about each gun and you will get the one right for you.
The one that stood out the most for me was the Hk. For me it was the overall feel of the gun when I shot it, held it, reloaded it. It just worked for ME. Trust me I tried talking myself out of the Hk line up do to the price but damn in the end my life is not worth saving a few bucks, so I got the Hk because I felt the best with it.
I have never had one malfunction with any of the Hk handguns I own. The ONLY time i have ever seen a problem with any Hk was when other people have been shooting them with NON-HK branded magazine being used. The gun just didn't like cheap knock off mags.
In the end it comes down to what feels solid in a persons hands. Go to a range that rents guns and try them all out. Put the lead down range and think about each gun and you will get the one right for you.
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