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Glock vs Springfield XD vs Steyr vs H&K.

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by AUTIGER04, Oct 2, 2003.

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  1. AUTIGER04

    AUTIGER04 member

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    Ok, Im planning to buy a pistol in the distant future. Within a year.:D
    I have never owned any of the guns listed and I have no clue, what one has over the other. But I have read and heard Glock stories. (100,000+) rounds. And I have seen and read about Glock torture test. I have my mind set on the Glock. But, I will give the others a chance if anyone can convince me to do so. Please feel free to inform me of your opinion. I looking for a Small to medium frame, reliable, accurate and the gun that should keep me happy for a long time. :D What advantages does one have over the other?Thanks for any info.
    $400-$600 range.
    Glock
    Steyr
    H&K
    Springfield XD

    ps I like Hi Cap Mags.:D
     
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  2. George Hill

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  3. Hk Paul

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    All of them are great guns. Ive shot them all.
    They are all more accruate than most people shooting them.
    Go with what fits your hand.
    The better it fits the better you will shoot it, IMHO.

    There is a reason why the HK is alot of money. Shoot it and youll see.
    If you want more information why, check out www.hkpro.com
     
  4. Oracle

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    The HK costs more, and has the crappiest trigger of them all. There is a reason that people don't use HK's in competition shooting.

    Go with a Glock or XD, you won't be sorry. If you're concerned about corrosion, go with the Glock, it's finish is more robust.
     
  5. Shake

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    It isn't as if the GLOCK wins any awards for its trigger either. . .

    Despite its crappy trigger, I shoot the H&K much better than the GLOCK and if I had to choose one for accuracy out of the box, I'd go H&K every time. Can't say much about the other two choices. I have zero experience with them.

    The H&K will be the most expensive of them all and you'll be lucky to find one under $600.

    Shake
     
  6. synoptic

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    It seems everyone with a Steyr loves it. I have an M9 and haven't had a problem yet with the gun. You can even find it under your price range, between $300 and $400. Unfortunately no Hi caps for this one, but with what you're saving you can buy a few more mags. Go with what fits your hand though, just odn't let yourself get caught up in all the hype of the Glock. Not that it's a bad pistol, but I don't believe the other 3 choices are any worse than it.
     
  7. 10-Ring

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    I would normally recommend the USP. It's everything you're looking for and then some ;)
    I've seen all the guns you've mentioned break...usually from abuse or bad ammo. All things considered, I like the versatility, ruggedness & accuracy of the HK :cool:
     
  8. LeonCarr

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    IMNSHO anything with HK on it is over-priced and over-rated.

    XD - still unproven at this point in time, looks promising but only time will tell. Too many external switches and stuff for my tastes.

    Steyr - I shot one and I was unimpressed. Did not feel as good as a Glock, and was not as accurate. Did not care for the triangle sight thingy.

    Glock - Read the Signature. No other gun has been so loved or so hated, so torture tested, or shot so many times. I think the other gun compaines should just admit defeat :).

    Shiner Bock - Drink one, you'll understand.
    Glock - Shoot one, you'll understand.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  9. Black Snowman

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    I've have a Glock 24P. I've had an HK USP .40C and I've shot the full size. Haven't had a chance to test drive an XD or Steyr yet.

    Between the Glocks and the HKs I think Glock wins bang for the buck but the HK is really nice shooter. However my Glock came with the 3.5 lbs trigger and I slicked it up a little. Both HKs I've shot had some trigger work done to them so were very good.

    Between putting on good sights, price new, an extended slide release, and 2 high-cap mags I have about $1000 in my Glock. The full size HK with the trigger job was in the same ballpark. Both the full size HK and the Glock clocked over 6000k rounds and going strong with no broken parts and just finish wear to show for it.

    So my personal experiences are a bit skewed. Whenever possible try the guns before you buy. Make friends who have them or find somewhere that rents them. How they work for YOU is the most important thing.

    Any special considerations? CCW, target shooting, competition, amphibious assault?
     
  10. mrapathy2000

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    hk is pricey would go with sig over hk get more for your monies worth.

    steyr is great pistol at a good price that is getting worse buy while price is good.

    glock is good though if I ever get one it will get a manual safety install. otherwise keep the finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot or dont care if you lose a toe or worse freedom.

    XD's are good guns though they have an issue with rust. its hit and miss even the stainless ones are rusting. not from lack of care either.

    not alot of hicap mags in .40 accept glock though hk has some though not cheap if you can find any. 9mm you can take almost any .40 mag and stuff more than 10 rounds into it. works for steyr and xd. steyr can use sigma hicaps. hicap issue wont matter much in less than a year if ban goes and nothing takes it place and state allows it.

    glock hicaps are pricey but are availible with little searching.
     
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    Of the guns listed, HK is a class of its own.


    Glock, XD, Steyr are all DAO's, striker fired, with trigger 'safety' :rolleyes:


    HK's USPc is hammer fired, with options for manual safety (left or right) ala-1911, with decocker or DAO variants.


    Each claim toughness as a trait. HK USP's proof could be seen at www.streetpro.com/usp/torture.html ; don't know about the others...


    Depends on your preference as to manual of arms. You like light triggered DAO's, then the USP is not for you.


    Other than that, HK's USP compact may prove to be the best of the lot. :cool:
     
  12. Marko Kloos

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    For a second there, I thought you were describing the M1911. After all, it has a 70-year head start and a dozen wars more under its belt.

    :D
     
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    What caliber?
     
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    Buy 3 HiPoints for that price range!!! Alright, alright, just kidding. Glock is probably your best bet but I do like the HK's. Steyr feels really good in the hand, XD worries me a little. Slide rides only on one center mounted point, in the rear, the steel slide rides on plastic!!!!!
     
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    9mm or 40S&W it doesnt matter. I forgot about the SIG :eek:
     
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    Steyr

    I have a Glock and a Steyr, and the Steyr is just a better built gun, hands down. The Steyr DAO trigger is so short and light it might as well be SA, and FYI the Steyr also has a manual safety that can be operated from either side.

    I just wish the $15 12round mags at CDNN were available to the peasants...

    Jeremy
     
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    If I were looking for a DA/SA I would buy the Sig pro over the HK. As nice as the HKs are they seem a little overrated. If not mistaken I think the reason for there price being so much more than the others is because of importation. I really like my Sig p239 it's a great shooter and I would think it's polymer brother would be just as good.

    As for as striker fired guns go I couldn't recommend the XD, I have shot Glocks in the 19 and 22 models. I liked the 19 it felt good and shot well, but I didn't care for the 22. I choose the Steyr M40 it felt the best in my hand of any gun I have ever picked up, I liked the optional manual safety and ability to lock the trigger up, the workmanship rivals my Sig, and I love the sites. I was at the gun shop a few months back and a guy was showing off his new trigger job on his Glock, it felt real close to the factory trigger in my Steyr.
     
  18. GlocksRock

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    I say go with the Glock, or XD.
     
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    1. STEYR
    2. HK
    3. XD
    9. GLOCK
     

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    Hey Marko,

    I would put a Glock up against a 1911 anyday of the week and twice on Sunday. I already know which one would choke first :).

    To stay on thread, I would put a Glock up against an HK, Steyr, or XD anyday of the week also :).

    Just my .02,
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    Like I said "I had my mind set on the Glock".
    Thanks for the info.

    H&K is next on list.;)
     
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    what i have or had (polymer), how i rank them and what i paid:
    1. Glock $350 (LNIB G17) - $575 (NIB G24) (G17's, 19, 23, 24, 27, 34, 36) simple, proven, in-expensive, great aftermarket support, easy to work on. sold the 19, 23 and 27 because the compact and sub comp frames didn't feel right in my hands. sold the G36 to get my 3rd gen G24 :D
    2. XD9 sub ($469 w/XML) - i've resisted getting an XD for almost a year now. just picked this one up last weekend and it's a great sub gun. i think that the XD's are probably the best bang for the buck. the grip has just enough room for me to get 1/2 of my pinky on, which couldn't be done on the G27 w/o a grip extension. actually might pick up a XD9 today that i saw at one of the shops yesterday. the XD9's will take the XD40 10rd mags and hold 15rds of 9mm. mags are about $23 each. you can also modify the 92f mags to work as well.
    3. P99 ($475) nice and accurate. i liked the trigger almost as much as the glock, until i got the XD. hi-caps are expensive, so i just have a bunch of 10rders.
    4. HK USP9F ($600 w/ Trijicons, leather holster & mag holster, 4 hicaps) found a deal on it, but just didn't like the trigger. also parts weren't as in-expensive and available as the glock.
     
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    Quite an interesting divergence of opinion...

    Please bear in mind that these comments are all opinion, and that ultimately, you must make the decision for the firearm which suits YOU best. With that said, I have shot the USP, Glock & XD, and in my opinion, first, you didn't mention the walther p99, a viable competitor..

    I have not shot the p99 live, but dry fired only.
    I carry a USP in the "L.E.M. trigger" configuration.

    From a parts, aftermarket support, availability of high caps - advantage Glock.

    I have shot numerous Glocks, and liked only one, a police trade in that the trigger was actually not a burden to me. I prefer traditional double action pistols... At least until the H&K L.E.M. trigger ... I've not been able to shoot most glocks, or the XD as consistently because to me the trigger always seems to feel vague, scratchy or gritty, and inconsistent. The one example - glock - I liked was really consistent & very accurate

    When discussing Glock, I like to remind Glock-o-philes that more than one department issued glocks has had an entire inventory replaced by the factory at far less than 30k rounds, DC police has had them mass replaced twice. Let us not forget about the infamous frame recall as well.

    Ergonomically - excluding H&K's ridiculously overpriced p2000, I think the P99 is the top or close to top pick. I prefer H&K USP's slide release, it's big & tough to have trouble with.

    Accuracy & reliability - I think you'll find that this is practically a wash. I know at least Glock & HK caution / warn against reloads, or lead ammo, however, I know at least the USP explicitly states that you may shoot +p or +p+ ammo from the USP. These pistols themselves are all very close, how well YOU can shoot them is something that only you will be able to answer.

    WRT standard caps ( what you mistakenly referred to as "hi caps" ). At least Walther & the XD can use modified Beretta mags for the 92 in 9mm's and they're dirt cheap. USP standard caps are pretty pricey - 50-70 smackers for 9mm....

    If you are not familiar with the USP L.E.M. trigger, it's essentially a low weight trigger pull, double action only, with a ridiculously short trigger reset. Possibly the best I've ever shot. The hammer spring is "pre cocked" so the pull weight is very consistent. If you release the trigger all the way forward, negating the short reset feature, the trigger pull weight is still as light, it's just longer. You may also "second strike" a non firing round...

    HTH
     
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    just for the record, I've seen more glocks take a dump under sandy conditions in matches than 1911s. also, the people who usually win the SOF/Wc3gun/swat 3 gun shoot 1911s.
     
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    XD

    I have an XD that's right at the 9000 round mark with no problems.

    I HAD a Glock that also went 10,000+ rounds with no problems, but the XD fit my hand better and pointed more naturally.

    No experience with the HK

    Brad
     
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