thebaldguy
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I wish Glocks came with the option of a manual safety like Ruger semi-autos. I like manual safeties on my semi-autos. They would finally sell one to me.
Glock w/Cominolli safety
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Glocks are fighting guns, not target pistols. I have at times thought about safetys back in the early 90's, when I first saw one. But your finger has no business in there unless you are about to pull the trigger. Get a good holster and you never have to worry about it going off unless you pull it. I for one want my gun to be simple, no do dads. I don't want to think about anything but the target when the time comes. I want a reliable hi capacity firearm that will always work and that is light enough not to leave at home, for me that is a stock Glock. And I have tried a hundred other pistols over 40 years of carrying, from detective specials to dbl stack 1911's they all have their place, that's why they make different colors. You get what works for you.
Completely unnecessary, and I'll tell you why
You are adding complexity to a gun that shines on being simple. People don't buy Glocks because they think they are pretty (unless they have been drinking too much of my koolaid!), because they are trying to shoot a 1" group at 50 yards, because they think they might be a collector's item one day, or because they think it's the most ergonomic, thin, and best naturally pointing gun they've ever handled
They buy them because they are stupid simple, don't require any additional thoughts (grab, point, pull trigger, bang), and pretty much will go bang every single time you pull the trigger. By throwing a manual safety on a Glock, you are creating another VERY CRITICAL step in using your defensive handgun. If you forget to swipe that safety, there will be no bang. When a bad guy is running at you with a knife, saying how he's going to butcher you and rape your wife in front of your kids, will you remember you installed that pointless manual safety on your otherwise perfectly safe handgun? I don't know about you, but I'm not comfortable taking that risk. Point and click for me please
Don't worry about kids getting ahold of it. For one, they never should. If that gun isn't holstered on your hip or within arms reach of you, it should be in the safe, no questions asked. Gotta take a crap? Either take it with you, or lock it up. Plain and simple
That safety will not save anyone's life if they have unauthorized access. A kid has a curious mind. They see switches and levers, what are they going to do? They are going to start flipping them. Unless that manual safety has some DNA encoded security measure, they are going to flip that lever. They are going to point it in an unsafe direction, and they are going to put that little booger hook on the bang switch. And it will still fire. That false sense of "safety" just got shot all to hell, no pun intended
That is why you follow the other rules. Keep it on you, right next to you, or locked in a secure safe. Don't keep the dial set on the last number in the code, don't leave the keys dangling in the keyhole. You have in your possession an item that can quickly end somebody's life, so PLEASE treat it as such. You must know of its whereabouts (and that it is secure) 100% of the time. 99% is not acceptable
That said, spend the money on ammo instead, and enjoy your Glock
You are adding complexity to a gun that shines on being simple. People don't buy Glocks because they think they are pretty (unless they have been drinking too much of my koolaid!), because they are trying to shoot a 1" group at 50 yards, because they think they might be a collector's item one day, or because they think it's the most ergonomic, thin, and best naturally pointing gun they've ever handled
They buy them because they are stupid simple, don't require any additional thoughts (grab, point, pull trigger, bang), and pretty much will go bang every single time you pull the trigger. By throwing a manual safety on a Glock, you are creating another VERY CRITICAL step in using your defensive handgun. If you forget to swipe that safety, there will be no bang. When a bad guy is running at you with a knife, saying how he's going to butcher you and rape your wife in front of your kids, will you remember you installed that pointless manual safety on your otherwise perfectly safe handgun? I don't know about you, but I'm not comfortable taking that risk. Point and click for me please
Don't worry about kids getting ahold of it. For one, they never should. If that gun isn't holstered on your hip or within arms reach of you, it should be in the safe, no questions asked. Gotta take a crap? Either take it with you, or lock it up. Plain and simple
That safety will not save anyone's life if they have unauthorized access. A kid has a curious mind. They see switches and levers, what are they going to do? They are going to start flipping them. Unless that manual safety has some DNA encoded security measure, they are going to flip that lever. They are going to point it in an unsafe direction, and they are going to put that little booger hook on the bang switch. And it will still fire. That false sense of "safety" just got shot all to hell, no pun intended
That is why you follow the other rules. Keep it on you, right next to you, or locked in a secure safe. Don't keep the dial set on the last number in the code, don't leave the keys dangling in the keyhole. You have in your possession an item that can quickly end somebody's life, so PLEASE treat it as such. You must know of its whereabouts (and that it is secure) 100% of the time. 99% is not acceptable
That said, spend the money on ammo instead, and enjoy your Glock
There are lots of things that are completely unnecessary that people still want.
I guess a determination about necessity is in the eye of the beholder.
I bet Glock sales would increase if they offered an external safety model as an option. Looks like a fair number of people here would buy them.
I guess a determination about necessity is in the eye of the beholder.
I bet Glock sales would increase if they offered an external safety model as an option. Looks like a fair number of people here would buy them.
Zerodefect
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I like Glocks because they have no safety!
I don't want to fumble around with nanny devices while I'm being shot at. That being said, I allways keep my Zero safety guns, Glock/Kahr/M&P, in a kydex holster whenever they have one in the pipe.
No exceptions. If I need a gun that'll ride in a pouch on the load carrying belt of my hiking backpack, then I use one with a safety like a 1911. Or figure out how to sew a kydex holster into that pouch.
Even with that safety, I wouldn't want a glock rattleing around in a pack with one in the pipe.
How hard can you pull the trigger on your safety modded Glock before it goes off? Sheet metal trigger parts and such, not really safety switch friendly the way a 1911 or m9 mechanicals are.
I don't want to fumble around with nanny devices while I'm being shot at. That being said, I allways keep my Zero safety guns, Glock/Kahr/M&P, in a kydex holster whenever they have one in the pipe.
No exceptions. If I need a gun that'll ride in a pouch on the load carrying belt of my hiking backpack, then I use one with a safety like a 1911. Or figure out how to sew a kydex holster into that pouch.
Even with that safety, I wouldn't want a glock rattleing around in a pack with one in the pipe.
How hard can you pull the trigger on your safety modded Glock before it goes off? Sheet metal trigger parts and such, not really safety switch friendly the way a 1911 or m9 mechanicals are.
speaksoftly
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Not to be harsh but I'm not a big fan of this type of gun snobbery. I've seen "Glock lovers" drop their guns from planes, leave them in the mud for years on end, soak them in water, bake them, freeze them, and try to blow them up. I don't think that a man wanting another precaution is a big freaking deal. It's his pistol, stays in his house, and he's worried about protecting his children. If the guy wants to add another safety to his gun (a lethal weapon lest we forget) then more power to him. How about we help him with his original question instead of telling him that Glocks are so holy that we "see no logic" in his desire to make a safer home for his children. :banghead:
speaksoftly
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I don't think he was under such a delusion.
Sounds like he's just looking for a little extra insurance.
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valorius
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Get a good gun, and you don't need a $100 retention holster to keep your gun from getting snagged and UD'ing. I could carry my HK P7 with a string tied around the trigger guard dangling from my neck, round chambered, and it would still not fire. I regularly slide it into my back pocket to carry it, round chambered, no holster. I can do this, because unlike a glock, the slightest disturbance of the trigger won't result in me getting a patented case of "Glock Leg" (TM)
BTW- 1911's are the ultimate "fighting handguns," and they've all got safeties.
Actually, a manual safety can stop a lot of careless mistakes and absent minded accidents.
Safeties stop ND's, they save lives.
I personally think every auto-loader made should have a manual safety, as a basic and minimum safety precaution.
So then you think you have the skill and training, and most of all the discipline, of a Delta Force Special Forces soldier?
Because IMO, as an ex infantryman, most people- even most people in the military- are capable of acts of immense stupidity from time to time. Soldiers should use their safeties too. Everyone but mall ninjas should...
Safeties save lives.
Do you disable the airbags and emergency brake and gear-shift/brake lockout in your cars too?
People amaze me.
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valorius said:
Those are "passive safeties" just like what a Glock uses. When I get in my truck to go to work in the morning, I don't think twice about any of that crap
The only thing I worry about is steering, gas, and brakes. Just like when I hold a Glock, the only thing I worry about is the trigger. I use them both as I need to, and don't use them in an unsafe manner
valorius said:
They sure were...decades ago. Send me off to war today, a 1911 will be at the bottom of my list of handguns to choose from. A Glock or a SIG will be at the top, and neither will have a manual safety
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I'm glad you're not in charge then
valorius
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An emergency brake is not a passive safety. The brake lock out is not a passive safety.
They're both MANUAL safety systems.
Tell me, what is it you have against manual safeties? Not enough confidence in your ability to flick it off as you draw? Or do you think you'd forget under pressure? Or are you just too tacticool for a manual safety?
Trained soldiers, cops and citizens have no problem either swiping off their safety or remembering to take it off under pressure. It's all a matter of muscle memory and proper training.
And btw, the "ultimate" fighting pistol today is IMO the FN 5.7, which has a manual safety.
The glock is a pistol so easy to operate even a totally untrained 3yo child can make one fire with a 100% success rate. It is a weapon for the lowest common denominator.
Which aint me.
They're both MANUAL safety systems.
Tell me, what is it you have against manual safeties? Not enough confidence in your ability to flick it off as you draw? Or do you think you'd forget under pressure? Or are you just too tacticool for a manual safety?
Trained soldiers, cops and citizens have no problem either swiping off their safety or remembering to take it off under pressure. It's all a matter of muscle memory and proper training.
And btw, the "ultimate" fighting pistol today is IMO the FN 5.7, which has a manual safety.
The glock is a pistol so easy to operate even a totally untrained 3yo child can make one fire with a 100% success rate. It is a weapon for the lowest common denominator.
Which aint me.
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Safeties do you no good while a pistol is in the safe lockedup. A safety does nothing for me when the pistol is on me in a holster. A safety does nothing for me if I leave the safe unlocked. A safety does nothing for me if I leave it for a kid to get ahold of.
I have been shooting SIGs and Glocks forever. I am used to no 'safety'. When I had a 1991A1 Colt I would EVERY TIME swipe the slide stop downward trying to decock it like a SIG. I have NEVER had a ND If a pistol comes out of the safe the mag is removed and the chamber is checked to make sure it is loaded before I carry OR cleared if it does not go in the holster instantly. A safety is in no way shape or form going to make my pistols anymore safe.
If a 3rd party wants to fondle my pistols I decline. No need to be groping pistols in the house. They are not toys. I refer them to the funstore I buy mine from. The kids get enough trigger time at the range and are not curious about what them little black things can do. I have killed vermin infront of them. Shot the watermelon with the 12 gauge to demonstrate the power of guns.
No safety in the world can teach anyone how to safely handle a gun. If a gun is not locked up in my house it is on me. If it is not locked up or on me, it is most likely in pieces being cleaned or inspected......
I have been shooting SIGs and Glocks forever. I am used to no 'safety'. When I had a 1991A1 Colt I would EVERY TIME swipe the slide stop downward trying to decock it like a SIG. I have NEVER had a ND If a pistol comes out of the safe the mag is removed and the chamber is checked to make sure it is loaded before I carry OR cleared if it does not go in the holster instantly. A safety is in no way shape or form going to make my pistols anymore safe.
If a 3rd party wants to fondle my pistols I decline. No need to be groping pistols in the house. They are not toys. I refer them to the funstore I buy mine from. The kids get enough trigger time at the range and are not curious about what them little black things can do. I have killed vermin infront of them. Shot the watermelon with the 12 gauge to demonstrate the power of guns.
No safety in the world can teach anyone how to safely handle a gun. If a gun is not locked up in my house it is on me. If it is not locked up or on me, it is most likely in pieces being cleaned or inspected......
valorius said:
Sorry, I thought you were talking about something else. I never use the e-brake in my truck, no need for it. No, I don't disable the brack lockout in it, I wasn't aware you could. For what it's worth, my old daily driver did not have one. You could go from park to drive without touching the brake. I drove that car for a good 8 years, never once had an "accident" due to it
I don't like added complexity when it doesn't need to be there. I prefer simplicity. I've been anal about gun safety ever since I first went trap shooting, which was about 14 years ago. My "teacher" (one of my best friend's dad) was very strict on us about how we handled them, so I guess it just stuck. The shotgun he let me use did not have a manual safety
I hope so. I prefer to give myself as many advantages as I can. That includes not having to worry to flip a little lever when I face a life and death situation, when I can carry/store the gun perfectly safe without one. I'd rather concentrate on the threat and my trigger finger
They are a novelty for me. I'll still take a Glock or SIG in a common, easy to find caliber. If I need to be able to shoot through body armor, I need a rifle. Not a hopped up .22 mag
I guess the same can be said for SIGs, revolvers, your LCP, etc
speaksoftly
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I hardly consider the DA/SA action on my Sigs to be a "lowest common denominator" setup.
valorius
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If my LCP could be had with a safety, i'd have one on it- no ifs ands or buts about it. I chose it despite the lack of a safety because at the time i purchased it none of it's competitors with manual safeties (Sig 238 has extreme reliability problems, and the S&W Bodyguard was not on the market yet) offered it's advantages, IMO. If they ever introduce one with a safety, i'll trade mine in for it, for sure. As it is, a DA mechanism is IMO the minimum floor for safety.
This is hardly the case in the service pistol market. Safeties are pretty prolific on that type of firearm, and some even opt to put them on Glocks. In fact Glock has even offered a manual safety version right from the Factory, the 17S.
As an ex US infantryman, it is my opinion that safeties save lives.
In the entire US arsenal there is only 1 weapon system without a safety (that i can think of), and it's a DA (M11 pistol). And IMO, it should have a safety too.
This is hardly the case in the service pistol market. Safeties are pretty prolific on that type of firearm, and some even opt to put them on Glocks. In fact Glock has even offered a manual safety version right from the Factory, the 17S.
As an ex US infantryman, it is my opinion that safeties save lives.
In the entire US arsenal there is only 1 weapon system without a safety (that i can think of), and it's a DA (M11 pistol). And IMO, it should have a safety too.
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KBintheSLC
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That is the golden ticket folks. A manual safety is no substitute for preventing unauthorized access by children. It is a false sense of security at best. You would be better off using a trigger lock, a safe, or just carrying it on you while at home.
speaksoftly
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Which is code for "tell me about the safety in question and not your personal opinions/soap boxes about Glocks."
valorius
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EA ammunition ballistics for the 5.7 are in the mid 300fpe range, very comparable to .38+P and 9mm std pressure....and it holds 31rds, has 100 meter range, will punch through body armor, and has almost no kick.
If that's a novelty, where do i sign up?
(i am actually saving for a F7 right now.
)This pistol got a bad rap for being wimpy because the early civvie only FN ammo was loaded to anemic levels. The full power Elite Ammunition loadings are much, much hotter.
But i am off topic, so i'll shut up now.
So you're saying a safety has never prevented a kid from shooting himself with mom or dad's gun huh?
Ok, beating to death, Valorius, I won't be buying you any guns without safteys for the holidays. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We gave ours already. Trying to convince fellow members that they should think like you do is an exercise in futility, and has been proved to be a waste of time, so why not just give your opinion and move on.
ForumSurfer
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Wow did this one ever go off course. People get a little defensive about their safeties or lack thereof.
To the op, if you want it...get it. Plenty of people train on weapons with manual safeties everyday. They are every bit as effective as a weapon with no safety imo.
FWIW, I'm accustomed to 1911's. I find myself sweeping the non existent safety on my glock quite often.
To the op, if you want it...get it. Plenty of people train on weapons with manual safeties everyday. They are every bit as effective as a weapon with no safety imo.
FWIW, I'm accustomed to 1911's. I find myself sweeping the non existent safety on my glock quite often.
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