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Glock or XD

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by SHusky57, Mar 1, 2009.

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  1. SHusky57

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    Do the numerous amount of safety devices on the XD (grip safety, optional thumb safety) actually make any significant effect on decreasing the possibility of accidental discharge?

    I'm looking for a high-cap .45, polymer auto and my only concern with Glock is that it would be more prone to AD/ND if something ever got caught in the holster/trigger guard.

    The XD with the grip safety and thumb safety is pretty similar to a 1911 set-up, and has 13 round capacity to boot. But I like the sights and feel of the Glock better (for now, that could change with practice).
     
  2. jmr40

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    In my opinion grip safety's are silly and of no use. I see no reason for them to be on 1911's or any other gun.

    A lot of people do not like a safety at all and think Glocks are just fine without them. I own, and like Glocks as well as 1911's, but would not mind seeing a 1911 type safety on the Glocks. I have not tried one of the XD safetys but think it has promise. About 6 months ago I tried one of the S&W 45's with the safety but did not like the way the safety operated. Sold it and still use my Glocks and 1911's.

    I have tried the XD (no safety) and prefer the Glock personally. I think the XD is a good gun it is just that I like the way Glocks feel and shoot better. Give the XD a try. If you feel better with the safety and like the way it operates buy it.
     
  3. aquapong

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    Oddly enough, my friend had a ND with an XD. I've owned 10 Glocks over the 8 years I've been shooting and haven't had a ND. That said, your safety is between your ears. Use that one and it doesn't matter what "safety" features the gun has on it.
     
  4. sig228

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    Well said.
     
  5. Guillermo

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    I own one Glock and one XD. Both are outstanding but I prefer the XD.

    While the grip safety is not required, the ergonomics are just better. I also like that you can easily discern if the chamber is full and the firearm cocked.

    The main thing is that I shoot the XD better. I believe that hitting the target is job one and in my hand, the XD is superior.

    All this said, my Glock is not for sale.
     
  6. SHusky57

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    So do I go with the Glock 20 or 21? 10mm sounds way more cool than .45; but it's much harder to find.

    What is the recoil difference between 10mm and 45? I've shot many calibers but not a 10mm. I would like to ideally get one full-size and one sub-compact....

    I just picked up a Glock catalog and I can't even begin to make up my mind. So many choices!

    But I really like the full-size 10mm/.45, and the sub-compact .45. .357 Sig also looks interesting, much smaller, but much faster - I just worry it would have too much muzzle flash especially coming out of a subcompact.

    Heavy recoil doesn't bother me, but I can't shoot .357 magnum because the muzzle flash and supersonic crack make me feel physically disoriented. Okay, that's somewhat of an exaggeration, but I find .357 magnum completely unpleasant to shoot. .45 ACP and .300 Win Magnum are just fine with me though.
     
  7. verdun59

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    Both are good but I traded my Glock for a XD. The XD felt better in hand and for whatever reason gave me better shot groups. However my CZ shoots better than either one.
     
  8. cbailey

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    I've grown fond of my 9mm Glocks, and would have bought a G20 if the ergonomics were even remotely compatible with my hand. If you prefer the feel of the G20, I'd say go for it.

    I have an XD45 which I also like, and is much better suited to me than a G20/21. But I don't think the XD45's "additional safety features" are a either boon or a detriment. The grip safety on my XD45 is invisible in operation in my hands, and may certainly help prevent a ND while holstering (with practice), but some people say they have issues reliably depressing grip safeties.

    The loaded chamber indicator and striker status indicator on the XD really don't provide much if any benefit over the Glock (Glock's extractor position provides chamber status and trigger position provides striker status).

    I'd say either Glock or XD are fine choices and pick the one that seem more "right" to you. As far as G20 vs G21, personally, I'd go .45 acp unless you hand load or plan to hand load your own ammunition. Even in better times in my area, 10mm was hard to find. But if you hand load, the 10mm does provide a lot of options.
     
  9. Wonder9

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    I always thought it was UD (unintentional discharge).

    So, we have....
    1. UD - unintentional discharge
    2. AD - accidental discharge
    3. ND - "not-my-fault" discharge? :eek:
    4. _D - ??
     
  10. WRGADog

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    I vote for the XD hadsdown, because

    I jsut don't like Glocks despite the fact they are very good guns. I own a XD45c, XD9sc, and XDM. They are superb guns, extremely reliable, very accurate, and easy to maintain. I also like the fact that they have a grip safety along with the trigger safety. That said, XD's (45c and 9sc) are somewhat thicker than the Glock and a thus bit more difficult to conceal. I would also look at the Beretta PX4 Storm, another great gun.
     
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    I vote XD40 sub compact. I'm a skinny guy and carry mine in IWB at one o'clock or in a elastic type armpit holster, similar to a belly wrap, with no problem.
     
  12. Brutz

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    xd

    I got an xd and love it. The grip safety isn't too bad for me, because the dang thing fits my hand perfectly. Plus my wife likes to shoot it too.:D
     
  13. ArmedBear

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    XD for me.

    Points a lot more naturally in my hand. Glock feels awkward.

    Since I started shotgunning, I've been a lot pickier about natural pointing. If I have to adjust myself to the gun, I don't want the gun. The XD fits me, so that's my preference.

    (The grip safety may not be "necessary" but it does offer protection against something other than your finger pulling the trigger. This can hardly be a bad thing.)
     
  14. SHusky57

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    WRAGDog, I have a PX4 in 9mm. I love it. The guys at the biggest gun shop down here constantly rag on Beretta, but I have yet to find a flaw other than the safety, which is a minor complaint.

    I may just stick with my PX4 - I am just always interested in trying new things.

    With that said, the PX4 points extremely well for me. I pull it up and the front sight is always where I want it to be.

    Beretta makes the PX4 in a subcompact variation as well as in a .45 variation that may meet my needs. I have also been looking at their older cougar designs, which include a .45 subcompact cougar.
     
  15. ArmedBear

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    After basic reliability, this is the most important characteristic I can think of, in a firearm.

    Practice can familiarize you with DA/SA, various safeties, trigger pull, etc. But if a gun doesn't point naturally, it will always be a hindrance.:)
     
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    I love both. and the M&P.

    they are all very similar, so it's hardly worth going back and forth about.
    Pick what is the most comfortable for you and what you shoot the best.

    Honestly I can pick up any one of the 3 mentioned and shoot them about the same, I can't really tell a difference.

    The XD is a little bigger than the glock, by fractions of an inch.

    FYI I have a G26. my wife has an xd9sc. I used to have an m&p full size (sold it to get the g26)
     
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    ND stands for NEGLIGENT DISCHARGE.

    Very few are really "accidents"

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    I don't have much experience with Glock., but both XD and Glock are reliable guns.

    What works for you is the best one.

    The XD has about the same grip angle as the 1911. I prefer that.
    Past XD breakdown included pulling the trigger. I didn't like that.
    The new Ms don't require the trigger pull to break down. I like that..

    Glock parts and accessories are EVERYWHERE and cheap. I like that.
     
  19. Guillermo

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    same thing with Glock
     
  20. PT1911

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    springfield took what glock did long ago and improved on it. the added safety features, the increased comfort, and the shootability of the gun are superior in every way to all but those who think glock is GOD.... Glock was surpassed long ago. I agree that your safety should be your brain, but unfurtunately, everyone who carries a gun is not all that bright, and who can put down a grip safety and not the trigger "safety". yes I know it is a drop safety, and I know the XD has one, but it also has others.
     
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    XD.. i have one, and i like it.. alot..
     
  22. Prince Yamato

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    The grip safety on the XD is worthless. It's more of a placebo than a safety. So, once you take that out, you basically have two guns that operate VERY similarly.

    I came around about a year ago to realizing that manual safeties were basically a false sense of security.

    To answer your question though, a Glock won't "go off" nor will anything "get in the trigger guard" in a holster. Consider that the Glock's trigger guard is wider than the trigger and that the trigger safety is something like 2mm wide. The actual Glock trigger itself is rather small and it would take quite a lot to get something in the trigger guard to engage it. Even with the 3.5lb connector, the Glock can balance itself on an active trigger and not go off. In addition, the overall weight balance of the Glock causes the gun to roll forward if you suspend it on your finger by the trigger.

    So ultimately, pick whichever one feels better to you.

    Umm... no they didn't. The gun was made in Croatia as the HS 2000. All Springfield did was stamp their name on it. The XD arrived on our shores as a cheaper Glock alternative during the AWB. The XD took modified Beretta 92 mags (which cost $30 during the AWB) vs. Glock mags, where were upwards of $80.
     
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    The only time I miss having a manual safety is when I'm not holster carrying. For example, during the week I keep as a car gun. I don't feel comfortable having it sitting in the seat next to me with a round in the chamber since nothing is protecting the real safety: the trigger.

    One of the reasons I prefer the Glock is that there is no safety to have to remember to disengage under stress or engage afterwards.
     
  24. Guillermo

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    such is true of the XD as well
     
  25. Gungnir

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    Yes once you're holding the XD in firing position the Grip safety is disengaged until you're in Firing position it's engaged though. You're not going to get stats that say "the Grip Safety stopped this AD" but I'd not say its worthless. I don't think it's a placebo either, ergonomic design is created to make the user feel like they're just doing things normally, which this does.

    Here's a test if the Grip safety is useless. Get a piece of dowel, get your loaded Glock and XD, Put the Dowel through the trigger guard, and holding the Muzzle push back the trigger. Which would you prefer to choose?
     
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