Glock w/Cominolli safety

[Boris bush]

As an ex US infantryman, it is my opinion that safeties save lives.

Being one myself, I like that quote.

It all depends. I watched a guy (not for long) try to jack a round into an AK onetime. I didn't have time to pause. Upon further inspection I realized the AK had not jammed as I thought previuosly. The safety was on and the user was dead. So you might say it saved someones life, we will never know, but I know of one person that lost a life that day because of a safety. Just sayin......

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

If you worry about your equipment, you're worrying about the wrong thing.

I can make pretty much any gun go bang at will. that doesn't mean that i want to to futz around with unnnecessary crap.

 

[valorius]

I think all professionals worry about their equipment. Be they race car drivers, fighter pilots, or would be gunfighters. The US military sure as heck worries about their equipment. It's why we generally have the best in the world, and why we have a massive defense budget.

Because we're worried about our equipment. I think you might want to re-evaluate your position.

I do not mind "futzing" around with all manner of safety equipment. Things like safety guards on my table saw, safety catches on my saber saw, safety levers on my firearms, etc, etc, etc.

It amuses me that the entire US military trains and fights daily with safeties, and has established a vast and overwhelming body of evidence that safeties are no detriment in a gun battle, but yet some people still think themselves incompetent to remember to remove a safety or manipulate one under stress.

Honestly, such simple minded people are just as likely to forget to bring their gun to begin with...or fumble their draw or their trigger pull.....

Do you carry your no safety glock in a holster, or is that just more unnecessary stuff to "futz with"?

Would you prefer if your glock came with no slide catch/lock? Technically, it is an unnecessary thing to "futz" with.

Glock has put them on their own pistols, right out of the factory doors. The 17S has a safety.

 

[Justin]

If you want a manual safety on a carry gun, get a gun with a manual safety.

If you don't want a manual safety, get a pistol without a manual safety.

There are valid arguments for having guns with and without manual safeties, and both guns can be handled safely as long as you train with that gun to the point that the operating system becomes ingrained.

 

[valorius]

double post plz delete.

 

[230therapy]

All this has been done before. We're not arguing a new topic.

People liked the Colt single action revolver. There was a huge argument (complete with flame wars in gun magazines--talk about patience) in the late 1920's and early 1930's. Ed McGivern wrote about it in Fast and Fancy Revolver Shooting. Back then, it was all about "accuracy" and "speed" and McGivern set out to prove that the double action revolver was just as accurate and fast as the single action revolver despite its "handicap" of double action trigger.

Our ancestors invented the double action revolver for a reason. The reason they invented the double action revolver was speed. It was simply 40% faster (per McGivern) than the single action. McGivern also thought the 1911's action was too slow (!!!) after testing it for awhile. It was easier to deploy in an emergency since there was no hammer to cock or thumb safety to deactivate. Speed, in McGivern's opinion, was essential to survival (he would have loved the OODA loop).

I view the double action semi-automatic pistol in the same way as the double action revolver of the 1920's. They're fighting tools that can serve as adequate range guns.

 

[gym]

When you throw the "military" into one catagory, it's like saying "ball players". Or The ". "police force". Not to prolong this agony much further, but specialized units use special equiptment. The department had to give them all something to start out with. Some go on to be clerks or cooks, and others train for specialized operations, so there is no one gun or type of gun that they use. Other than NYPD giving out Glocks, unless that changed. I haven't been keeping up with my old friends in the last decade, but it all comes down to personal choice. That's why "special forces" carry basically what they prefer. If you like a weapon with a saftey, by all means carry that.