The lawsuit alleged every possible reason under the sun, from defective design to failure to warn to you name it, in hopes that something would stick. You can read all about it from the anti-2A perspective at the Brady campaign site, and perhaps get a sense of who and what was behind the suit. The Brady united site has information on the suit from their perspective, but I won't link to it here. I have not read who removed the mag from the gun, but would not be surprised to learn that the shooter had done so.
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Really?How on earth could one come to that conclusion? If she was familiar enough with firearms to know about a magazine disconnect, then likely she was aware of how to safely handle a firearm. She wasn't. Heck, I have numerous customers that have never heard of or are totally ignorant of a magazine disconnect because their other handguns didn't have one.
Same with a loaded chamber indicator.....if'n you don't know jack squat about basic firearms safety, all the LCI's, mag disconnects, etc are useless.
Whether it was a three year old, a teenager or a sixty year old....ignorance of gun safety is ignorance of gun safety. I am totally excusing dogs.
Right here in the article "Another teenager found the 9 mm pistol in the car and apparently thought it was safe because the magazine holding the bullets was missing. However, there was a bullet in the chamber, and when she pulled the trigger, it hit Travieso, paralyzing him." She either thought the firearm was safe without a magazine because of a disconnect safety or she is far more ignorant about firearms than I give her credit for, and doesn't understand what the chamber is. Either way, she should not handle a firearm again without numerous classes.
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I don't think she'll ever touch a firearm again.
Just like parents who lose their children to accidents from them playing with their unsecured firearms.
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Probably accurate. A painful learning lesson for negligence.
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I think one who doesn’t maintain control is just as negligent as someone that doesn’t teach firearms safety to people that are even too young to know any better.
If you leave a kid in your running automobile and they attempt to emulate you and put it into gear, resulting in a crash, is that their fault, your fault, the manufacturer of the automobile, the DMV, fuel mfg/distribution/retail outlet, oil, tires, 2nd grade teacher that let you off with a warning for doing something stupid, etc?
If you leave a kid in your running automobile and they attempt to emulate you and put it into gear, resulting in a crash, is that their fault, your fault, the manufacturer of the automobile, the DMV, fuel mfg/distribution/retail outlet, oil, tires, 2nd grade teacher that let you off with a warning for doing something stupid, etc?
And at what age do these kids reach the age that they should know better? Do I need to lock my car keys up when not in use so my 13 or 14 year old doesn’t take them and emulate me? Is that what we’ve gotten to?
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I think one should begin as soon as they can, so it’s 2nd nature or just the way it’s done.
A couple years go by and even in excitement, the habit is ingrained.
It’s often more beneficial to be armed with knowledge than curiosity.
Much better to learn to keep your bugger hook off the bang button before you even know what any of that stuff is, than after you have hurt someone because you were never taught any better....or anything at all for that matter.
How many of us have had a kid mess with one of our guns and not know it ever happened?
My dad was a cautious, fair, honest man with an IQ over 140. He never knew his 10 year old son (me) looked at and held his old 22 revolver.
He did however try to teach me everything he possibly could. He taught me the 4 gun safety rules at age 8 and that might have made all the difference in the world.
My dad was a cautious, fair, honest man with an IQ over 140. He never knew his 10 year old son (me) looked at and held his old 22 revolver.
He did however try to teach me everything he possibly could. He taught me the 4 gun safety rules at age 8 and that might have made all the difference in the world.
And I completely agree. (Very cute girl btw) I was handling firearms at around 4 years of age. Hell I was cooking on a gas range by myself at 5. But when less than 1/3 of a country’s citizens own firearms, and who knows what percentage of the 1/3 is actually what we would consider competent, then it isn’t possible for 200+ million Americans to know how to safely handle them. But, everyone can be taught not to mess with something that isn’t yours.
That seems like an impossible question to honestly answer.
Yep. An example of why the anti 2A people keep winning.
While the pro2A people argue about small details the anti 2A's are looking at the big picture.
Can't see the forest through the trees.
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I know adults that just can’t help but mess with things they don’t know anything about. I find charged capacitors to be handy paperweights around them. As said, that will teach them.
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As noted, the extractor sticks up a bit, easier to tell by feel than vision but it does technically count. Also if you look at the extractor you can often see a little glint of brass as well if it's loaded.
In addition if the striker is cocked the trigger is forward, if it is not the trigger stays to the rear. Not super helpful unless you always store the unloaded Glocks uncocked (as I do).
So it's there, if you know what to look for, much like almost every manufacturer.
My kids are only 5 and 3 but I can say with confidence they have not touched any of mine without my knowledge. Everything I own is always locked up or attached to my hip. Gotta get my boy started on a .22 soon, he's almost responsible enough to be trusted to listen well at the range.
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Absolutely. But I shouldn’t have to lock up everything I own so someone doesn’t mess with it (Ref post 57 and the car keys). Again, if this was a little kid, I’m totally on board. But a teenager? I think they said she was 14 (that might be incorrect). At 14 you’re less than 2 years away from operating something every bit as, if not more, deadly (statistically) than a firearm.
I feel bad that she had to go through this. I feel worse for the guy she shot. And I’m VERY happy that Glock won the case.
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