Gloomy topic: Will the recession increase suicides (specifically gun suicides)?

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I'm assuming most USA suicides are done by gun. I know this is true with men, and I think women too. Is there data that proves or disproves that suicides rise during severe recessions? If so, this could help the gun ban lobby. :(
 
Morbid topic.

Suicides accounted for 55 percent of the nation's nearly 31,000 firearm deaths in 2005. That is the most recent stat available as of late last year and I'm not finding anything about what is the preferred method.

(My guess would be pills over guns.)

That % will rise if only because of the increase in firearms produced and sold.

Will it help the gun ban lobby? The tendency to spin things to support their agenda has never been a problem for them in the past so I'd guess the recent buying panic coupled with current economics’ will provide more than enough fodder for whatever connection they choose to make.
 
Any increase in numbers of firearms related deaths, gross or percentage, that can be used to support their arguments will be used. It's doubtful that there will be a percentage shift, but total numbers of suicides may increase.
 
Don't know. Some people just can't handle the doom and gloom.

I'll say that a gun is just a convenient tool for the job so if the number of suicides goes up so will the number of suicides by gun.
 
I think I've heard that some people have already killed themselves over losses in the stock market, losing their homes and jobs, etc. I think it's sad that people aren't more resilient, but yes, suicides will increase.

The ride is getting bumpy, and some folks are choosing to get off the ride.

I might get piled on for saying this, but one of the problems with guns is that they make rash decisions much easier. This is something we should always keep in mind.
 
I guess it might. The rate only increased from 14/100K to 17/100K during the Great Depression. This may have been underreported in greater numbers then as it is today due to the stigma.

While this is a significant increase note that the unemployment rate increased 500%, foreclosures increased 300-1000% locally and the economy was in much worse condition.
 
Oh yes, IIRC, roughly half, or just a little more than half, of all gun-induced deaths in the USA are from suicides (the other half being accidental or homicides), and IIRC, the number 1 tool for men is gun, whereas the number 1 tool for women is pills, guns second. Can anyone confirm or deny?

I guess it might. The rate only increased from 14/100K to 17/100K during the Great Depression. ....

While this is a significant increase note that the unemployment rate increased 500%, foreclosures increased 300-1000% locally and the economy was in much worse condition.

Yeah, 14 to 17 per 100K people is not to big of a jump, considering the massive increases in foreclosures and such of the Great Depression - most people figure out how to roll with the flow. Even though 3 people out of a 100,000 means only that 00.0003% extra people whacked themselves (not a large absolute figure), but nevertheless, in relative terms, that's a significant increase.
 
I can think of two incidents recently in the news where a laid-off male killed his entire family then himself, one was in Michigan and another in California. One guy was of Indian descent, which I think like the Japanese is a culture where getting fired brings with it a great sense of personal shame.
 
Recession/depression simply does not affect most people, sounds stupid but it's true. During the thirties living standards continued to increase for the vast majority who still had jobs, and the same may be true this time.

The figures on suicide by firearm allow antis to say with truth that a gun is more likely to kill its owner than some aggressive criminal, thus proving (in their view) that the whole home/self defence argument for gun ownership is a crock.
 
Gun bans cause a temporary drop in suicides that is then made up by substitution of other methods. Some countries with fewer guns have more suicides on a percentage basis.

Yep, this will be an argument against guns - but not a crucial one.
 
Japan - almost no personal private gun ownership and incredibly high suicide rates

There is no correlation between guns and suicide.
 
There will probably be a slight increase in the suicide rate among Americans as this financial mess grows worse. I look for suicide-by-cop to really jump up in percentage increase. Take out a large premium on yourself and force a cop to shoot you to death. That way the family gets to collect the insurance money IF you don't leave behind a suicide note.
 
Yes gun related suicides will increase. The only mitigating factor in this, from our perspective, is that most of these suicides (based on years of news accounts that I've seen) are not gunnies like us. It is usually somebody who happens to own a gun but doesn't really care about guns or the 2nd am like us.

On another part of this, the gun ban lobby really doesn't care much about suicide. Sure, they'll occasionally cite the suicide issue, but 99% of the gun banner's agenda is based on exploiting inner city gang killings and the fear from it and exploiting a few high profile mass killings.
 
Up here, we have a tradition known as "Mister Flood's Party", named after a famous poem by local early twentieth century poet Edwin Arlington Robinson.

Basically, when you get too old or sick to care for yourself, and you have no friends or family left, and the loneliness just gets to you, the idea is you take a jug of whiskey into the woods on a cold winter night, often New Year's Eve, and don't come back. I don't pass judgment on that one way or the other.

Mr. Flood's Party
Edwin Arlington Robinson

Old Eben Flood, climbing alone one night
Over the hill between the town below
And the forsaken upland hermitage
That held as much as he should ever know
On earth again of home, paused warily.
The road was his with not a native near;
And Eben, having leisure, said aloud,
For no man else in Tilbury Town to hear:

"Well, Mr. Flood, we have the harvest moon
Again, and we may not have many more;
The bird is on the wing, the poet says,
And you and I have said it here before.
Drink to the bird." He raised up to the light
The jug that he had gone so far to fill,
And answered huskily: "Well, Mr. Flood,
Since you propose it, I believe I will."

Alone, as if enduring to the end
A valiant armor of scarred hopes outworn,
He stood there in the middle of the road
Like Roland's ghost winding a silent horn.
Below him, in the town among the trees,
Where friends of other days had honored him,
A phantom salutation of the dead
Rang thinly till old Eben's eyes were dim.

Then, as a mother lays her sleeping child
Down tenderly, fearing it may awake,
He set the jug down slowly at his feet
With trembling care, knowing that most things break;
And only when assured that on firm earth
It stood, as the uncertain lives of men
Assuredly did not, he paced away,
And with his hand extended paused again:

"Well, Mr. Flood, we have not met like this
In a long time; and many a change has come
To both of us, I fear, since last it was
We had a drop together. Welcome home!"
Convivially returning with himself,
Again he raised the jug up to the light;
And with an acquiescent quaver said:
"Well, Mr. Flood, if you insist, I might.

"Only a very little, Mr. Flood --
For auld lang syne. No more, sir; that will do."
So, for the time, apparently it did,
And Eben evidently thought so too;
For soon amid the silver loneliness
Of night he lifted up his voice and sang,
Secure, with only two moons listening,
Until the whole harmonious landscape rang --

"For auld lang syne." The weary throat gave out,
The last word wavered; and the song being done,
He raised again the jug regretfully
And shook his head, and was again alone.
There was not much that was ahead of him,
And there was nothing in the town below --
Where strangers would have shut the many doors
That many friends had opened long ago.
 
Wow - that poem is deep and moving - I like it very much, in a sad way. Gave me shivers. :) :(

I guess you can't do that number if you live too far south - the cold won't be cold enough to take you - you will just wake up with an enormous throbbing headache. :-/

But to keep it gun related here - the anti-freedom forces do often try to claim that our suicides are the result of the presence of guns. But I'll admit they've piped down on this issue a bit in the last 5-10 years since the NRA thoroughly lambasted them with the hard evidence of the Japanese numbers on suicide besting ours.

By the way, Duke, where is "here"?
 
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Nothing new. Economy goes down, crime goes up. It has been the cycle for many years. Suicides will follow to some point.
 
Over many years, I've had six friends who committed suicide.

Three were men, who used handguns to kill themselves. (Two were ex-U.S. Marines.)

Three were women.

One killed herself by stuffing towels under the garage door base and then sitting in her Mercedes with the engine running until she died.

Another deliberately killed herself with an overdose of pills.

The third, stunningly beautiful, who lived in Los Angeles, drove to San Francisco, went out onto the Golden Gate Bridge, took off all her clothes and then jumped off the bridge. The authorities identified her by the jewelry she left in her purse and clothes, which was registered to her from Tiffany's and Cartier. (She could have used a revolver if she'd wished as she kept her late father's Colt's Detective Special in the nightstand beside her bed. He'd been a "frogman," UDT, in WW II.)

Although anectdotal, I'd guess that men use firearms more often to commit suicide, whereas most women find other efficient methods.

FWIW.

L.W.
 
I might get piled on for saying this, but one of the problems with guns is that they make rash decisions much easier. This is something we should always keep in mind.

Everyday people are killed in single vehicle, single occupant vehicle crashes for no apparent reason other than they "lost control" and crashed...
 
People who really, really want to commit suicide tend to use guns often because they're, well, exceedingly efficient tools for the job. Sure there are countless other ways to off yourself, but few have the simplicity, the straightforwardness, and the instant effect of placing the muzzle of a gun in your mouth or to your temple and pulling the trigger.

Percentage-wise, I don't think the recession will affect suicides carried out with guns.
 
Up here, we have a tradition known as "Mister Flood's Party", named after a famous poem by local early twentieth century poet Edwin Arlington Robinson.

Basically, when you get too old or sick to care for yourself, and you have no friends or family left, and the loneliness just gets to you, the idea is you take a jug of whiskey into the woods on a cold winter night, often New Year's Eve, and don't come back. I don't pass judgment on that one way or the other.

:eek: Where's "up here?"

If I tried to do that, I'd probably wind up coming back into town after the jug of whiskey ran out. To get another jug.
 
The vast majority of our suicides involved firearms.

But there is always a way to find a way to kill yourself. We had jumpers, individuals walk in front of trucks on a highway and one sole laid down on the tracks of a NJ Transit passenger train and waited.
 
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