stinger 327
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I read that somewhere that the round that has the highest one stops on the street is the .357 in 125 grains.
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David E
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Wow, do you have stock in Hi-Point? All I said was "I must have a different take on inexpensive and cheap" than others do. Then, inexplicably, you take it all kinds of personal and lash out.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080206212820AAMqCZ5
There's one gun store owner that stopped carrying them for valid reasons, not that you care.
For me, a defense gun not only needs to be reliable, but it needs to be "shootable" and be in a caliber capable of self defense tasks. The p64, pa63, cz-82 you mention are reliable, but their ultra-hard DA trigger pull makes them unshootable and _I_ am not comfortable with the .380 Magnum (9x18) cartridge for defense purposes. Maybe you are and maybe you have an extremely strong trigger finger. Good for you!......or maybe you only shoot it single action, slow fire.
I don't trust the striker on Hi-Points, so I'd never carry a Hi-Point chamber loaded. It wouldn't be very shootable in a rapidly progressing defensive situation.
But you need to understand one thing: I don't care if you like Hi-Points. Honestly, you shouldn't care that I don't.
I've fired them and am not impressed.
Carry one if you want. I don't care !
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Why not try one of the police/security trade in revolvers? I have seen these in the $250.00- $300.00 range. Most are S&W's D.A. only 38 specials, and many were carried a lot and shot a little. These are generally good solid revolvers and if it gets beat up riding in the car so be it.
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No David, that isn't ALL YOU SAID. You right after that said:
And that is what I was responding to. And no, I don't have any stock in Hi-Point. Matter of fact, except for having it in my garage or truck, it's probably never the gun I would use. But that's NOT because of it's quality or dependability; which no one has been able to dispute other than with anecdotal evidence. For carrying and normal home defense handguns, I have my Sigs, CZ's, Kimber's, S&W's, FEG's and Walther. Some of these guns cost more than $1000, and some cost UNDER $200.
No, this isn't personal, but you made it quite clear when you said that you were amazed that people would purposely skimp on life saving gear, that you have no respect for the Hi-Point. And if you don't want one, that is perfectly fine. It is definitely not the most comfortable or ergonomic gun available. It's heavy as hell. It's hard to conceal. And for the less confident, it only holds 8-10 rounds. (Depending on the magazine). So it's definitely not the best choice for some people. And as long as the response is: "I simply just don't like it"; that is completely respectable. But when people say that it's cheap, and imply that it's unreliable, then those people are simply showing that they don't know what they are talking about. Unfortunately, forums are also made up of a lot of NOOB's, and they take some of this uneducated and misinformed information as true.
Then, you provide a link of a yahoo thread where 1 gun shop owner says he no longer carries them. Well, in that SAME THREAD, the majority of the OTHER posters seem to think they were a pretty decent gun. No, not their favorite, but still a decent gun. Again; like them, hate them, own one, don't own one, I really don't care. And as long as it's for personal reasons, I can totally respect that. But to talk smack about something you don't like, and embellish why you don't like it with unfounded reasons, is not respected. And FWIW, while I have no liking whatsoever for Glocks; I really do hate them; I will slam just as hard on someone who says that they aren't a dependable and reliable pistol either. There's a difference between: "I don't like" and saying it's unreliable and doesn't do what it's intended to do. Same with cars. I will not own any modern day Chevy/GM. I think they're crap. But I would never say that they are unreliable and are unable to do what they are designed to do. So, take it anyway you want to. It's not personal for me. I'm simply quoting what you said.
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David E
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Which is still true.
I didn't mention any gun by name.........YOU made the assumption that I must've been talking about Hi-Points..............funny, eh?
You totally overlooked my "shootability" standard. Even if your precious Hi-Point is reliable, it's not very shootable. You don't even carry it yourself. It's big, it's heavy, it's not very ergonomic, etc, etc, etc.
And leaving a gun.......any gun, in a vehicle for extended periods unattended just isn't a smart thing to do.
I see people skimp on guns, holsters, ammo, caliber, training, practice., etc and they still think they're "ready" for whatever may come their way.
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I was thinking a police trade in S&W 5906 might be good such as the one here:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW5906&groupid=3
Its stainless and from what I've read pretty dependable and the price ain't bad. AIM also sells CZ-82's at a good price. A Ruger P95 sounds like a good idea as well.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=F1SW5906&groupid=3
Its stainless and from what I've read pretty dependable and the price ain't bad. AIM also sells CZ-82's at a good price. A Ruger P95 sounds like a good idea as well.
christcorp
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David, you do like to "DANCE" don't you? Don't give me this crap. You specifically QUOTED me mentioning a Hi-Point, and then you said you're amazed at people skimping on life saving gear. Don't give us this crap. You don't like them, that's fine. But now you're just plain trying to back peddle your B.S. If you don't like a Hi-Point, that's fine. But if you're going to talk about how "Cheap" it is, and that you're amazed people would buy one as a piece of life saving gear, then at least come up with some facts to base your opinion on. Or, you simply could say you just don't like the gun. Don't like the feel, trigger, or whatever. That's how I feel about Glocks. I personally just don't like them. I would never however tell anyone who own one that it's cheap or junk and that they're risking their life with one. Not unless I had something to back it up with. That, is the difference.
the only person that knows about my truck gun is me. so i dont worry about somebody commiting suicide. i am sure that if they wanted to do that they will probibly find a way. becuse it might be awhile before they get a ride with me & still not know that i have a truck gun & yes i use the terms truck/glove gun box interchangeably. i also bought a lockable case that has a cable you put around the seat frame or some other steel part. it was only like $20. i dont want to offend but i would not want to trust my life to a hi points or some taurus. surplus are proven & the countries that made them had years to debug any problems they may have found. i have no problem trusting my life to my cz 82.
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I picked up a 3rd gen smith and wesson 4506 for about $450. It shoots anything in 45acp is dead reliable, stainless steel, and sits in my glove box. Its heavy as hell, but shoots like stink...not worried about the finish it doesnt rattle around in there so its good. Been my truck gun for a year now, never looked back.
I see em on GB all the time for less than 500 bucks. The gun was built to handle a full power 10mm and shares the same frame as the 1006, its strong and overbuilt. Its like a Ruger built by smith and wesson
I see em on GB all the time for less than 500 bucks. The gun was built to handle a full power 10mm and shares the same frame as the 1006, its strong and overbuilt. Its like a Ruger built by smith and wesson
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Maybe all that is needed is the trunk monkey
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I am amazed, but it's not only about what guns they buy.
I'm amazed that people who can afford better guns, buy Hi-Points. I'd rather buy a used Model 10 for less money. (I paid $110 for one a couple years ago, before that, I paid $85 for a Charter Arms .38 snubby, so it's got nothing to do with the amount of money spent)
I'm amazed that people buy a crap holster to carry the gun in. I've tried some that would not, under any circumstances, allow you to draw the gun.
I'm amazed that for personal defense ammo/guns/holsters/etc folks buy "whatever's cheapest," thinking that one is as good as the next.
The fact that you don't carry a Hi-Point says more than you realize. Stashing one in your vehicle for long periods unattended also says more than you realize.
I don't trust Hi-Points cocked and locked. So, for me, that alone makes them unsuitable for carrying. ANY gun that requires an empty chamber for safety is unsuitable for carrying, but that's just me, YMMV, IMHO, yadda yadda yadda.....
But there are other crap guns out there, too. There are other good guns that don't "fit" the person, but since it is "quality" they buy them, thinking they're buying the best.
As an example, last night at the local match, a woman showed up with an HK P-30. She couldn't master that first, long, hard DA shot. She put at least three shots into the floor. It's a poor gun choice for her, so for her, that gun is "crap."
In the past, I have cited Hi-Point as an economical gun for someone.......if they can't afford anything else, or if a shotgun won't do what they require the gun for. Rarely, if ever, do they end up with a Hi-Point.
christcorp
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David: Do you just make this stuff up as you go along?
No, I think the more you write, the more it says about you than you realize. Taking away all your back peddling, you say that you are amazed that people buy hi-points. You finally admitted it. Even though the post prior you said that you weren't necessarily referring to Hi-Points, that it was I who inferred it. Well, now that you've admitted it was hi-points you were referencing, why are you so amazed. You say you're amazed because a person who can afford a better gun, would buy a hi-point. Yet, the next sentence, you say you'd rather buy a model 10 for LESS MONEY. Then, you try and justify it all by saying that it has nothing to do with the amount of money spent.
Sorry, but you're not worth it. Stay amazed. Your posts have shown that you simply like to argue. You have no facts. You don't want to hear any facts. You simply want to believe what you believe. That too says a lot more than you realize. Maybe we can discuss some other topic and thread. But you can have this thread. It's not worth my time.
I have a $1000+ kimber which is an extremely reliable and dependable gun. I DON'T CARRY IT. So that MUST say more than I REALIZE. Also, you NEVER ONCE read anyplace where I said I left one stashed in my vehicle for LONG PERIODS unattended.
No, I think the more you write, the more it says about you than you realize. Taking away all your back peddling, you say that you are amazed that people buy hi-points. You finally admitted it. Even though the post prior you said that you weren't necessarily referring to Hi-Points, that it was I who inferred it. Well, now that you've admitted it was hi-points you were referencing, why are you so amazed. You say you're amazed because a person who can afford a better gun, would buy a hi-point. Yet, the next sentence, you say you'd rather buy a model 10 for LESS MONEY. Then, you try and justify it all by saying that it has nothing to do with the amount of money spent.
Sorry, but you're not worth it. Stay amazed. Your posts have shown that you simply like to argue. You have no facts. You don't want to hear any facts. You simply want to believe what you believe. That too says a lot more than you realize. Maybe we can discuss some other topic and thread. But you can have this thread. It's not worth my time.
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Christcorp, such selective reading you have....
You champion the Hi-Point like it's the best thing out there, perhaps even rivaling your Kimber (which you feel compelled to remind us over and over that it cost $1000+...
I have a newsflash.....the Hi-Point is NOT the best gun out there. IT'S A CHEAP GUN. People that buy them can usually afford something better, so why don't they buy something better? Why do they choose to skimp on a critical piece of life-saving gear? Perhaps partially due to posts like yours that make it sound a Hi-Point is an undiscovered jewel of a gun. (ROFLMAO!)
Further, you have absolutely no sense of humor! Get over yourself a little bit and try and have some fun, dude ! Life's too short.
You champion the Hi-Point like it's the best thing out there, perhaps even rivaling your Kimber (which you feel compelled to remind us over and over that it cost $1000+...
I have a newsflash.....the Hi-Point is NOT the best gun out there. IT'S A CHEAP GUN. People that buy them can usually afford something better, so why don't they buy something better? Why do they choose to skimp on a critical piece of life-saving gear? Perhaps partially due to posts like yours that make it sound a Hi-Point is an undiscovered jewel of a gun. (ROFLMAO!)
Further, you have absolutely no sense of humor! Get over yourself a little bit and try and have some fun, dude ! Life's too short.
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