Going into battle: I'll take . . .

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A full auto CZ 75 or a CZ Skorpion. Yep. They make them.
http://www.czub.cz/index.php?p=32&idp=9&ids=36&idz=228&lang=en

Getting thrown in the brig and disciplined/discharged for breaking the rules would suck.
While I'd ideally like to bring a heavier caliber, I'm afraid I'd just stick with what the DOD told me to use.
A 9mm, well placed, produces non-functioning humans, no matter their political affiliation. Lots of 9mm just speeds up the process. Hence the full auto.

And really, either luck is on your side or it ain't.
Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have a 45 myself. Or, even a 50 AE that wasn't a Desert Eagle.
But, it's their party. Their rules. And, it's the gub'ment. So, why should it be sensible?
 
I would take the issued weapon with the issued rounds, but my own magazines. This would make getting spare parts and ammo easier. I have heard "horror stories' regarding the issued magazines, hence taking my own.

Any Handgun is way far down on my priority list for combat.

BikerRN
 
Nothing wrong with 9mm M9 Beretta!
I would go ahead with it. However, I think Sig 226 is better for Afghan areas since its built tough. Yet, if the US would allow Russian weapon then Stichken APS 9x18 (20 rds fully auto) or Austrian Glock 18c- these in case I would be counting on my side arm a lot. I think, the focus here should be on the service issue rifle more then side arm, because you rarely end up in a situation where you have to draw your handgun as a last resort.


As mentioned above, Skorpion is also good, but a little too big for side arm, perhaps it should be compared with MP5K, which then it far superior. Question on Skorpion: do they make them in 9mm? All I have seen are either 32 or 22- and in used condition. Last I checked the guy was asking 2000 US$ for it.
 
Hmm. A pistol is pretty low on my list of priorities, below spare radio batteries and a good, durable 5"-7" fixed blade knife, which I find more useful in the field than a handgun.
Since you asked, A Browning Hi-Power, CZ 75/P01. would be my first choices for a last resort/ ECQ (Extreme Cose Quarters, ie; tunnel, cave, bunker etc.) weapon.
Although, there is something comforting about having a large caliber Single Action Revolver on your hip, while in harms way! HAHAHA!( Yeah, I'd probably carry one, it worked for my great great great grand father on the border when he rode w/ Pancho Villa) By the way, I like the Beretta M9, it and the 9mm Nato 124 gr. m882 does the job, if the shooter does his........
 
I would keep the M9 because there will be mags for it...bring my own mags as well.

then bring a good old glock in 45 as a back up back up

also my kit would have grenades and claymores

and i would have to bring an ak-47 because i could pick up mags...i guess i could pick up the ak-47

plus a good old ka-bar
 
I'd carry a chaingun. As long as there are plenty of health and ammo pickups I should be in business!

(First person shooter geeks should get that one)
 
I'd carry a chaingun. As long as there are plenty of health and ammo pickups I should be in business!

(First person shooter geeks should get that one)
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Make Mine a Flak Cannon then! And add a side order of armor with that health and ammo!

(Got to love Unreal Tournament!)
 
Eh, throw in the pissing match here:
Just missed all the fun in the sandbox but I did serve in the Marines relatively recently.

You couldn't give me an M-16A2 willingly. I ALWAYS volunteered for the SAW when we did exercises (I wasn't a grunt) and the plan for "the war" was to pick up the first AK I could get my hands on if I couldn't get a SAW.
Interestingly I later heard this was a common thing as we settled into the occupation and pacification of Iraq and lots of AK's were being "brought along".
I'd say a M-14 but my eyesight isn't super great so I wouldn't want someone to figure me as the DM or sniper.


Again, a pistol is just a back up but as mentioned before if your long arm goes down a pistol beats a rock. There's been several incidents where SNCO's had to use their pistols in house clearing ops that went bad after their guns jammed, went down, got lost, etc in the heat of the fight.
Pistola...well, my ToE never would have included one but the plan was to get better mags for the M9 if I was ever offered one. Friends who had to qual with them always mentioned the scarcity of the real Beretta mags and the crappy quality of the aftermarket mags. Again interestingly this has been borne out in reality. We're currently trying to figure a way to get some jen-u-wine Italian Beretta mags to my cousin's Army dogface boyfriend over in Iraq without anyone getting in trouble. So far no luck.:barf:
Nice police weapon. Accurate but requires to much regular maintenance for my tastes...sorta like the AR family.

Now, based upon some of the stuff I've heard about what's turning up over there and how our guys are often able to pick stuff up and carry it as long as they don't try to take it home in the end...

BHP 9mm in Iraq. Proven, works, common. Apparently the Iraqis couldn't even screw the design up enough to make their local copies not work just fine.

The Army was "demothballing" 1911's and .45 ACP dated in the 60's in the first couple years we were in Iraq to make up for the shortfalls in available pistols. A guy over on www.1911forum.org was issued a real nice Remington-Rand during his time over there in the '04-05 time frame. If I could lay my hands on one I'd be more than happy.

Makarov. If I can't get a HP, 1911, or even a M9 these were pretty common from what I heard a few years ago and hey, again it beats a rock, knife, or a fistfight. Adding another legendary e-tool close combat kill story to the Marine Corps legend would be pretty cool though.;)

Nothing against Glocks but oy, I can't get used to the grip angle. Again however a gun that discomforts my hand is better than a rock.

Also some of the stories of the goofy @ss stuff they would find leads me to beleive that if you really were a good scrounger/trader and found a gun AND ammo in one sitting you could really come up with some interesting stuff.
Chrome plated Series 70 1911's, engraved Colt Pythons, Lugers, gold plated everything, PPK's, Colt SAA's, etc etc etc etc. Apparently if you were high up enough in the local party or just had enough cash you could get whatever the f-you wanted.
 
I'd take

I'd bring an M4 with a 203 grenade launcher attached. My side-arm would be a glock 17, g.i. issue bayonet, with the related ammo of course. 4 grenades, 2claymores and I'll have my e-tool and t.p. so I can take a dump.:eek:
 
Well being that I am most likely going into Afghanistan soon I'll comment, but I don't get to choose my weapon. If I could I'd take an M14 and an M9. In the grand scheme of things a .45 is not that much more in terms of knockdown power and I'd rather have the accuracy and capacity of a 9mm, either in a Sig or an M9 and I shoot my M9 and my Sig much better than any 1911 I have ever owned. But I'll probably be stuck with an M4 and and an M9 *shrugs*
 
Well since I do own a Beretta 92, it would be traitorous of me to take anything else.

But given the choice, I would still take the Beretta. Its the only gun I've ever fired that has not given me a single problem. Not one. Lots of ammo in the mag, lightweight, built tough, reliable. And 9mm kills people really well, to boot! (Note: Pretty much all bullets kill people really well)
 
Smith & Wesson Model 57 .41 Magnum with a 3" barrel. I'd bring maybe 250 rounds of ammo and a couple of speed loaders. I won't need much ammo because I wouldn't expect to have a lot time to plink or practice with it and I wouldn't expect to use it lots in a battle zone. That's what the rifle is for. But when things go south and my rifle takes a **** I'd like to have something with a bit of authority for back-up and I just don't care for the .44 Mag. Some kind of full coverage cross-draw holster on my chest as suggested earlier sounds like to good place to carry the thing.


Note: I have absolutely no experience in a battle zone but the OP did ask! :D
 
With a sidearm being a last defense and pretty much a back up gun if all else fails I'd take a Glock 17 just for the durability and simplicity and availability of ammo. I'd get some really good 147gr +P+ JHP Ammo. Then if the situation did come up where I needed to find ammo I could scrounge around for some. I do think there's an international regulation that prevents the use of expanding bullets in warfare though. I can't see a 9mm FMJ being very effective unless you get a headshot which probably isn't going to happen under the stress involved in the situation you'd have to use your sidearm in. I'm really surprised that the military suplies 9mm 115gr FMJ. USP would be a good choice too but you'd have to bring a bunch of ammo and have it only as a back up gun for that one time when all else fails.
 
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The Geneva Convention pretty much limits us to FMJ bullets. No soft points, hollow points, notched bullets, etc etc etc.
Interestingly it is one of the few tenants of that convention that most countries seem to actually follow.
 
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