tahunua001
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hello all. I am looking to try my 9mm carbine for deer this fall. what is a good bullet option?
good 9mm bullet option for hunting?
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Aaron1100us
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I don't think a 9mm is a hunting round. Its not even legal in several States. I know in Iowa, the minimum for hunting is .357 magnum.
Best would be a +p+ 147 grain hollow point and less than 50 yard shot.
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Best would be a +p+ 147 grain hollow point and less than 50 yard shot.
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Kachok
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A 147gr Gold Dot loaded with Longshot, that would drive nice and deep. Still I say all 9mms, 40s and even 45s SUCK for deer hunting. 357 is the smallest I would think to hunt with, and the 44 Mag/45LC with full power handloads are downright respectable.
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tahunua001
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I've seen a lot of deer taken with a 22lr so I don't think I'll have to worry about 9mm so long as I get a good <100 yard shot.
and FWIW, Idaho is legal with all non-rimfire cartridges.
and FWIW, Idaho is legal with all non-rimfire cartridges.
If you feel like you can hit a brain shot, any decent non RN bullet should do. (I have killed a deer with a .22 LR brain shot. DRT) Other than that, the 9MM simply doesn't have the power for humane deer hunting.
Kachok
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It is not about the bore, the 9mm is .355-.356" do you really think a .357 with 1 or 2 THOUSANDTHS of an inch would make any noticable difference???? No the 357 can in fact drive heavy for caliber 158gr bullet to respectable speeds, that has little to do with it's extra .001" and more to do with it's case capacity. However in the lighter weight I can handload a 9mm to factory 357 mag power, I doubt if any deer would ever notice the difference between a .356" 124gr @1220fps vs a 125gr .357" at the same speed. Deer cannot read the head stamp so my bet is no.
Quote: "I use a 486 grain arrow going 298 FPS. "
That's 43 ft-lbs.
Quote: " I doubt if any deer would ever notice the difference between a .356" 124gr @1220fps vs a 125gr .357" at the same speed."
The 9mm example is 406 ft-lbs.
What did the muzzleloaders of the colonists' days put out?
That's 43 ft-lbs.
Quote: " I doubt if any deer would ever notice the difference between a .356" 124gr @1220fps vs a 125gr .357" at the same speed."
The 9mm example is 406 ft-lbs.
What did the muzzleloaders of the colonists' days put out?
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tahunua001
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this is essentially my thinking. I don't know about getting a 9mm to 357 mag velocities across the board but out of a carbine 9mm can easily reach respectable 357 pistol velocity.
rcmodel
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The Hornady XTP is known for giving good penetration with decent expansion in other hunting calibers.
The Speer GD would be my second choice.
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The Speer GD would be my second choice.
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wgaynor
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I say go for it and tell us how it went.
You can get much higher velocities and KE out of a .357 than a 9mm. Sure, we all know it is a bore difference of only .001 but that isn't the point. .357 SuperMag has the same bore difference. Will a 9mm work, yep. But I would rather have a .357 chambered rifle for taking medium sized game. I would probably go further yet and go 44.
About double that actually. Different killing method though. Arrows kill using blood loss only for the most part.
Kachok
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I went with the 44 too, don't regret it for a second, recoil is not bad at all and it makes both the 9mm and 357 look like a joke in terms of power. Yeah I know the 357 can be loaded higher, my point was that if someone considered the factory 125gr 357 adequate they could not rationally say that a full power 9mm was inadequate because they are all but identical, there is less difference between them then the old 7.62x54R vs 7.62x51 dabate.
Yeah arrows are a whole different animal, you cannot think of them in terms of fpe, bullets work on a completely different principal then paper thin razor sharp blades.
gamestalker
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If I was going to hunt deer sized game with a 9mm, I would go with a Gold Dot and Longshot. A 147 gr. Gold Dot is probably the best choice, although you could gain some significant velocity with a lighter bullet, maybe a 124 gr.? The XTP's are also pretty decent, and I have done some informal penetration and expansion testing with both the XTP, and the Gold Dot with great results from both.
The 147's with a max charge of Longshot chronograph at about 1050 fps from most of my 9's. But you might get a smidge more depending on the firearm and barrel length. I saw a deer taken by a friend who used a 115 gr. XTP, and it didn't get back up, soo.
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The 147's with a max charge of Longshot chronograph at about 1050 fps from most of my 9's. But you might get a smidge more depending on the firearm and barrel length. I saw a deer taken by a friend who used a 115 gr. XTP, and it didn't get back up, soo.
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balderclev
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An arrow doesn't kill by shock, but by blood loss. The arrow points are usually between 7/8" to 2" wide with 2 or 3 blades and have a complete pass through. This provides a good likelihood of severe damage to vital organs organs with a good shot along with a good blood trail. A. 1/3" projectile like a 9mm (at its speeds) with little to no temporary cavity or shock involved is definitely risking inhumane kills and lost game.
At the very least if using 9mm for deer hunting, I would shoot at bow hunting ranges of not more than 20 yards in order to have high neck or head shots assuming one can shoot that good.
At the very least if using 9mm for deer hunting, I would shoot at bow hunting ranges of not more than 20 yards in order to have high neck or head shots assuming one can shoot that good.
wankerjake
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A 147gr or maybe a 124gr XTP as fast as you can sling it and close shots... should do the trick.
Kachok
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I would think 1600fps to be very optimistic to say the least, 1450fps would be pushing it with a 124gr I would think without going +P. In my 4.5" barrel 1250 is all I will get with published loads. Longshot gives great speed at reasonable pressure but it burns slow and keeps pushing so it could be hard on a slide, not a problem for my XDm though.
ArchAngelCD
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Are you really comparing an arrow with a 9mm bullet? Really? There is no way to compare the two, energy isn't everything and an arrow will cut a much bigger wound channel in an animal than a bullet will.
Then you try to compare a muzzleloader to a 9mm, come on now, Really???
ArchAngelCD
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We have a responsibility to have respect for the game we hunt. Just going for it is unacceptable and the 9mm is not a hunting round for anything more than rabbits close up.
flipajig
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I was thinking the same thing awhile ago. I picked up a Ruger PC-9 with my normal load 4.3 grn of HP-38 and a 125 grn LRN out of my P-95 its running 1000 fps and the PC-9 it's running 1300 fps. If you used a RNFP or a HP Boolit mold and go with a mix of
50% Wheal Weights 50% soft lead and 1% tin for your smelt running at 1300 to 1400 fps this should give you enough penitration and expansion to get the job done. I also think you should keep keep it within 50 yds 100 is a fair streach for a 9mm.
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50% Wheal Weights 50% soft lead and 1% tin for your smelt running at 1300 to 1400 fps this should give you enough penitration and expansion to get the job done. I also think you should keep keep it within 50 yds 100 is a fair streach for a 9mm.
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I have run 115gr FMJ's at 1600 fps (with Blue Dot in a carbine) and have heard of 1800 fps with compressed loads. But with heavier 147gr bullets the speed gain isn't as great.
Also using a HP that designed to expand at 1100fps may not hold together at 1800. Just things to keep in mind. Maybe a .356 wad cutter or jacketed soft point or maybe a total copper HP?
This is a good read as well.
Also using a HP that designed to expand at 1100fps may not hold together at 1800. Just things to keep in mind. Maybe a .356 wad cutter or jacketed soft point or maybe a total copper HP?
This is a good read as well.
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