Good AK-47?

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I have been looking into getting some kind of 7.62x39 rifle and have been looking at AK-47's to fit the bill. Are there any AK's that are of better quality than others?

Also if anyone has a suggestion for a better 7.62x39 rifle I am totally open to suggestions.

Any information on SKS's or Mini-30's would be appreciated as well.

Thanks all!
 
Honestly, if you can afford it, I'd say go with an Arsenal SGL20. They aren't crazy expensive and are high quality rifles. After shooting many different AK's and researching it a lot, I took the plunge and paid $655 a couple of weeks ago.
 
Well, what's your price range? If you're willing to pay at least $600, the VZ-58 is held superior to the AK by many; it has a milled receiver, but it's about a pound lighter than a stamped Kalashnikov. If you're on a tighter budget, the Saiga rifles are imported from Russia in a neutered form, but they can be restored to pistol grip configuration relatively easily. They start at $330 or so, and I've seen pistol grip conversions done for as little as $80. Of course, there are also the Romanian WASR-10's; Century's drunk monkeys have a reputation for screwing them up, but they make decent shooters when in good shape. I think they can still be found for $400 or so.
 
I have two Arsenal SGL-21's from Kvar. It is a Russian built AK from the company that builds the Russian military AKs. Why have anything else..........:D
Oh...It is 7.62 X 39 caliber.
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I too am looking into an AK 47 and at this point, very confused with all the makers and options out there. I looked at the Arsenal sgl 20? sgl 21? Is Arsenal an importer or maker? Milled or stamped?
Please help. Thanks
 
Just picked up a SGL20-41 this weekend for $645 + tax...'cause I always wanted a Russian AK built at Izhmash! You can't beat them for the price!

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A SGL20 or 21 is your best bet for the money right now! The only difference is the latter has an accessory lug.

Cheers! M2
 
Grahng, Arsenal is an importer; they emphasized milled receivers to sell their Bulgarian guns, but in actuality, all it does is add a little weight that might help you stay on target slightly better if you're doing rapid fire, so the extra cost and heft is a bit pointless. The stamped SGL series, though, are good guns, and reasonable if you want a Saiga converted back to full AK appearance and don't want to do the work yourself.
 
If you're willing to pay at least $600, the VZ-58 is held superior to the AK by many; it has a milled receiver, but it's about a pound lighter than a stamped Kalashnikov. If you're on a tighter budget, the Saiga rifles are imported from Russia in a neutered form, but they can be restored to pistol grip configuration relatively easily. They start at $330 or so, and I've seen pistol grip conversions done for as little as $80. Of course, there are also the Romanian WASR-10's; Century's drunk monkeys have a reputation for screwing them up, but they make decent shooters when in good shape.
Well said, I would put my VZ.58 up against any AK and expect it to come out on top every time. It is just as reliable (if not more so), significantly lighter (3lbs lighter than a AK-47, about 0.5lb lighter than an AKM), much more accurate, and most importantly it has great ergonomics (something that is dismal on the AK). The construction is also fantastic, and the trigger pretty darn good (likely due to being striker fired). I paid $585.00 from TGI and I am very happy with the purchase.

If your budget doesn't allow for the VZ.58 then a Saiga and conversion parts are the best option. I converted my Saiga-12 a couple of years back for about $450.00, but you can do the same with different components for about $100.00. The Saiga is the best AK pattern rifle made IMO.

If forced to choose anything other than the above, I would go with a WASR, it is inexpensive and they have been decent in my experience. They are not accurate, by any stretch, but will go bang and are "pattern" sufficiently to hit targets at 100yds or so.

Another decent option is the Ruger Mini-30, it is very well constructed, but expect accuracy similar to the Saiga at a price akin to the VZ.58. However it is a very nice handling rifle, weight is moderate, and sights are good (better than the potential accuracy IME). There are much worse options. If you should decide on the mini, just remember that you need to stick to OEM magazines for proper operation (they aren't the cheapest, but are now available in 20rnd configuration).

Additionally there is the SKS. A fine rifle, but with the recent increase in cost, the internal magazine (or iffy AK mag. conversion), and awkward handling characteristics, I find it to be a poor choice at this time. However it is still worth mention, as you may disagree with my assessment.

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I shoot Arsenal and Lancaster AK variants and have loved both of them. The red wood stock on a Lancaster is beautiful, and Arsenal sure puts together a nice firearm.

I would highly recommend both based on my experience, as well as the customer support they offer.

I won't argue that the VZ.58 is a fine gun as well. It's all personal, but it just doesn't look like an AK to me. Just don't really like the ascetics. Not that it matters to function, but that's my opinion.
 
I won't argue that the VZ.58 is a fine gun as well. It's all personal, but it just doesn't look like an AK to me. Just don't really like the ascetics. Not that it matters to function, but that's my opinion.
I have to admit that the rifle sure does look funny when the action is held open (which reminds me of another good feature...the auto BHO and lighter magazines)...but it is worth it to both hit what I am aiming at, and flick the safety off without dislocating my finger. :neener:

Here is a photo of the rifle in question:
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Hmmm ... I can't believe no mention of the Vepr yet. I have a Vepr K and it's a fine, accurate rifle for an AK-based gun.
 
I have to agree with the VZ58 choice. I really like my AKs, but the CZ vz58 has them beat on just about every point. They are lighter, more accurate, just as reliable, more user friendly, and just plain more fun to shoot. If cost isn't a major factor, look into a Chechpoint vz58. Rifle costs a little more, but it is all Chech made including the receiver, they pay for the shipping and the FFL transfer fee, and to top it off, you can't beat Dan and company for customer service.
 
If cost isn't a major factor, look into a Chechpoint vz58. Rifle costs a little more, but it is all Chech made including the receiver, they pay for the shipping and the FFL transfer fee, and to top it off, you can't beat Dan and company for customer service.
If cost is a factor...buy the exact same rifle from TGI for $350 or so less sans the second magazine and Dan. :p
 
FMJMIKE ,I like it your Arsenal SGL-21's from Kvar.
M2, I like your SGL20-41
Where did you guys get your weapons. Seriously...I am looking for what you have.
Thanks, Jerry
 
It may cost a little more, and I'll leave it to others to debate whether it's worth it or not, but I've always been really happy with my Arsenal SGL-20. Top-notch fit, build, and looks.
 
Avoid Lancaster Arms. Horrible customer service and at least 1 case of refusing to deliver a rifle that has already been paid for.
 
Honestly, unless you spend the extra money and get one with a milled receiver, AK's are junk. You'd be better off with an SKS. If you owned both, you'd agree. Unless you're in a third world country and have to piss in your rifle to clean it, the SKS is a much better design. They are slightly longer and much more accurate. The price is great too. If you Tapco**** it, you'll be very happy. If you're dead set on an AK, you may want to look into building your own. I've been thinking of putting together my own AK with a milled receiver.
 
I picked up a VEPR II earlier in the year and I am more than impressed... a bit on the heavy side for an AK, but a hell of a gun!!!...
 
In my contiuing question for knoledge before I purchase, I have a few questions.

Is the barrel nut basically at the muzzle end to cover the threads until a brake/flash hider is added?

Is the Saiga style basically the civilian version of the AK as the AR is with the M16?

To oreder, I assume that the places to orderr are those listed on the Arsenal website...right?

Thanks
 
Is the Saiga style basically the civilian version of the AK as the AR is with the M16?
Essentially, yes, although a better comparison would be the M16 and the post-ban AR. The official Izhmash website even shows some with pistol grips and folding stocks; we're just stuck with the hunting buttstock versions because of our import regulations.
 
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