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Good, Cheap Red Dot???

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I'm not sure what some people are saying about quality.

I have a Primary Arms M3 clone and an Aimpoint M2.

They are not in the same league for quality.

The Aimpoint is much more rugged and the quality is VERY apparent. The PA is, well, cheap.

Yes it works, but don't be swayed by "I could not tell any difference" talk.

I also have, among other optics a Bushnell Trophy 1x32. It is very nice for the money, quite rugged, and excellent build quality. Not at the same level, but far better than the avg cheapo china red dot.
 
I bought an UltraDot to use on a Mini14. Not as inexpensive as some (I think I paid around $110 for it from a local gun store). It would hold POA but when the dot size was adjusted instead of expanding equally in circumferance it would elongate diagonally somewhat. At 4 Mils (smallest cirumferance) it was fine.
 
I bought an open holosight Barska $50 to use on a .22 pistol for some unadulterated cheap fun. The fun part came in finding zero with each change of the crosshair pattern (4 user selectable from dot to circle) and trying to ignore all the reflected red light on the glass. I gave it to a friend's kid to save him the money of buying one with the above information in mind.

The moral is you sometimes get what you pay for. Other times you get exactly what you pay for. Every so often you get more than you pay for but often you get less than you hoped for. The only time I get less than I paid for is at the McDonald's drive thru where I learn 4 miles later my burger is missing.
 
There is one and only one way to try a "cheap" red dot. Be sure the store will exchange it. I'll buy locally so if there's a problem it goes back no shipping. I've had to exchange some while others work out well.

A lot of the $30-$100 stuff is rebranded and may be a Red Head at Bass Pro, Pine Ridge at Cabelas, or Barska online...

Good luck.
 
A Red-Dot type of sight and a "Rifle-Scope" (Meaning variable magnification) are 2 totally different things with different purposes and different levels of quality. The purpose of a red-dot is to replace iron sights and provide faster target acquisition compared to fixed iron type sights. That's it. With the exception of a couple of companies, they are 1X power. The only real quality requirement of a 1X red-dot type of sight, is that it maintain it's zero aim once sighted in. That it doesn't bounce all over the place, or drift because of recoil. If it can do that, then it it perfectly fine for what it's suppose to do. Some people get an orgasm because one red-dot type has a 2moa dot at 100 yards, while another has a 5moa at 100 yards. Red-Dots are open sights. Basically looking through iron sights except easier and faster. They're designed for shooting people with. It means nothing if it has a 2moa instead of a 5moa. As long as the red-dot sight is not all plastic; as long as it holds it's aim; as long as the lenses are clear and you can see through them; then it will work fine. And you can get plenty of red-dot type sights for under $100 that fit this package. If you believe you have to buy an EOTech, Aimpoint, etc... and spend hundreds of dollars, then you are wasting your money. It might make you feel good, and that's fine; but you don't have a better sight because of the price.

Now magnified sights like rifle scopes: 1-4x30, 3-9x42, etc... these are a totally different animal. Besides holding zero, not drifting, construction, and the things looked at similar to the red-dots; the ability to magnify creates a lot of other potential issues. Mainly with focusing. Also; field of view becomes a major issue. Clarity of crosshairs. How much light it can absorb at higher magnifications. There is a totally different quality base when talking about magnified rifle type scope. I have hunting scopes that cost more than some of my rifles.

But when it comes to red-dot, 1x non-magnification, type sights, all I care about is that once I sight it in, that after a few hundred rounds, I don't have to sight it in again. That it's still accurately on target. I care that the red-dot is somewhat crisp. (Hard for someone who wears bifocals). That the red-dot is visible in daylight hours. And that it's not made out of plastic and will break easily. I have a 30mm Tasco that's been on one of my AR's and has been there for about 6-7 years. And I can still hit my 4" grapefruit size area at 100 yards without a tripod or anything fancy. For basically open sights, that is perfectly acceptable for what I want. It cost $32 at walmart. I like the A1optics because it has both red and green. I have that on one of my other AR's. That one does have a 2x magnification. (That's the recommendation I posted earlier). Normally I don't go with magnified red-dots, but I've had a lot of luck with A1optics. So far it's great. That one was $49. I have an Osprey 1x reflex open red-dot. (Not tube/scope type). It sits on my Saiga .223. Just as good as the others, I can shoot my .223 AK47 at 100 yards and continuously hit a 4" center. And this is still basically the same as open sights. No magnification. Just easier sight acquisition. It cost me about $35.

Some may believe that you must spend lots of money on a 1x red-dot type sight. But you don't. Most of the quality issues that scopes have to deal with, come in the clarity, field of view, fogging, crispness of the sight and target, etc... of a magnified sight. A 1x red-dot type sight doesn't have this issue. If the sight is metal (Not plastic). It uses real photo glass type lenses and not some cheap plastic or window pane glass. If it keeps it's zero after sighting in and doing a lot of shooting. And you can easily acquire your target with the red dot. And finally; that the red or green dot can be seen during daylight sunny conditions. Then it's a good sight. And these can definitely be found for under $100. You don't have to spend $150, $200, $300, $500 or more. Remember: These types of sights were to improve on open iron sights. Not to replace or compete with magnified hunting, sniper, etc... type scopes. They aren't for hunting. They're for shooting targets/people at 100 yards.
 
I use a Walther PS22 on my M&P15 . . . $70 at Midway . . . it also co-witnesses with the iron sights.
 
Thanks for all the info guys. At this point I'm leaning towards an open, 1x sight, not a scope, in the under $100 range. I'm looking for quicker accuracy under 100 yards, for a gun that wouldn't be my first (or second) choice if I had to choose any of my long-arms for some serious use.
 
^^ I have the same Centerpoint Red Dot and it is a solid unit I'd put on a 30-06 no problem.

I have since swapped out all those "big" red dots for Micro Dot units.
 
The moral is you sometimes get what you pay for. Other times you get exactly what you pay for. Every so often you get more than you pay for but often you get less than you hoped for. The only time I get less than I paid for is at the McDonald's drive thru where I learn 4 miles later my burger is missing.


You're a genius, Skylerbone.
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Thanks for all the info guys. At this point I'm leaning towards an open, 1x sight, not a scope, in the under $100 range.

Make sure and try that open sight (I'm assuming a non-tube type) out at a store first and look into some bright light when the red dot is on. Some of the sub $100 red dots are invisible in bright light, whether a tube type or not.

The best red dot for my use has multi reticles and tinted glass. The tint helps darken your target just enough to enhance the brightness of the reticle. Tube style red dots also help keep external light down and if it has a small sun shield, that will reduce light even more. All this helps find a red dot on a bright sunny day.

The downside to the cheaper multi-reticle sights are that the zero can be different between reticles. The fix is easy, pick your favorite reticle and don't switch around to the others.

This Chinese made one on this .22 plinker is more accurate than iron sights but less so than a telescopic sight. Duh. :D Plus, it has the tinted glass, multi-reticles, and the short sun shield installed. It works much better than others I've tried in bright sunlight.

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Primary Arms makes nice tinted glass models with multi-reticles, too. This one has pics of the tinted glass. http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=35&categoryId=398
 
gglass (a THR member) burned through 2 Centerpoint scopes in under month on his .308 Win. They were accurate enough per his posts but did not last. Perhaps the non-magnified red dot is more robust but I prefer buying once. Even hand-loading, my ammo cost to zero and test new gear, not to mention time, can make a cheap piece of gear a not so cheap PITA.

It need not cost hundreds of dollars to work. It has been my experience that if it does cost hundreds of dollars it will work. Just personal observation.
 
ive got a vortex strikefire and its a real well built unit for the price. Id steer clear of the red/green model though and buy the just red one. Its much brighter and the dot doesnt wash out in bright sunlight like the red/green model does. Battery life isnt as good as an aimpoint but its still pretty good.
 
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