Good Friend Got Into A Gun Fight

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He said in the physical position he was in he only fired one shot and the perp was no longer in sight to shoot again.

Probably a bad move, but he pursued the guy and looked behind the truck, only to find he was up and running.

He should have put as much distance between himself and the perp and run to a defensive position.

But, overall, he did a great job and trained for it.
 
doc540 said:
...Probably a bad move, but he pursued the guy and looked behind the truck, only to find he was up and running.

He should have put as much distance between himself and the perp and run to a defensive position.
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My observation (surveillance videos replayed on the news and elsewhere), is that your friend's behavior -- chasing the bad guy -- is curiously common. I suspect that this is something deeply a part of human nature.
 
Good on you to loan him your CM9.

All of us need to give pause and think a bit about having that extra firearm and holster in case of an eventuality such as this and your gun going into a police property room as evidence for an unforseen time period.
After an event like this I certainly would not want to walk the streets without some protection from possible retalition from the perps family or his thug friends.
 
I figured it would fit the same holster he was using for his Taurus Slim 9.

And he definitely needed to be able to take care of himself.
 
could you take a chance on it??? if someone points a shotgun, scratch that, ANY firearm directly at you and threatens you, they mean to do you harm. sitting there and asking him to prove it is loaded, would most likely be the last thing you ever did.
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That's not my point. I wouldn't expect him to do that at all. Some robberies were committed with an empty gun. I asked because the perp never fired that shotgun. Instead he dropped it and beat it hastily. That doesn't suggest it was an empty gun but it gave me a feeling that it wasn't loaded otherwise he would've returned fire.
 
He just got shot. Probably wasn't thinking about returning fire, was probably thinking "oh god was this an off duty cop I just robbed???"
 
Wow. Great post.

Glad it turned out OK.

For those of us who elect to carry an auto in Condition 3, perhaps it's time to rethink that strategy...
 
For those of us who elect to carry an auto in Condition 3, perhaps it's time to rethink that strategy...
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For those that carry in anything other than condition 1....In the situation, I would not even want to have to cock a hammer prior to being able to engage the threat.
 
I'm not sure on the original motivation on the question as to whether the shotgun was armed or not, but I'm interested not really because of how it would change the actions of the CWP holder (he has to assume it loaded), but as to the actions of the perp.

Basically, he dropped the gun. If the gun was unloaded, that's not a surprise - he was holding a club. If it WAS loaded though, then it shows part of the thought process as to his reaction (ie, he was surprised enough that even possessing the capability of fighting back, he lacked the composure to do so).

Good outcome either way though.
 
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For those that carry in anything other than condition 1....In the situation, I would not even want to have to cock a hammer prior to being able to engage the threat.
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+1

My carry guns are a hammer-less DAO J-frame and a Glock.

Good for your friend.

You all seem to be pretty good friends. If you're close enough, think about suggesting that if he needs to talk to someone, he definetely should. There may be some lasting effects he doesn't anticipate.

At the very least, I would get him Col. Grossman's On Combat. The book goes into detail about the physiological and psychological effects of combat, some of which, as you describe, he went through.
 
He said in the physical position he was in he only fired one shot and the perp was no longer in sight to shoot again.
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I think he did great.

Probably a bad move, but he pursued the guy and looked behind the truck, only to find he was up and running.
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I'm not going to second guess that. There is something to be said for violence of action and knowing EXACTLY where the bad guy is. Not saying it was the "right" thing to do, but it may not have been the "wrong" thing to do either. At least I can understand the desire to make sure the guy is no longer a threat instead of pulling back and waiting to see what happens. Then you run the risk of losing awareness of where he is and wondering where he will pop up.

Of course, there is no "perfect" one-size-fits all solution and you can do everything "right" and still get killed.
 
I agree, each situation is different, and if the bad guy is on his heels, the victim showing aggression isn't necessarily a bad thing. "Chasing them off" puts distance between the bad guy and their (now discarded) firearm.

Fight or flight works BOTH ways.
 
Very pleased that your friend is OK.
Seems that he was very level-headed, calm and cool (externally!), and saved his own life.

I am more impressed with your loan of a carry gun.
Lifelong friends like you are one in a million!

God bless both of you!

Jamie
 
"I am more impressed with your loan of a carry gun.
Lifelong friends like you are one in a million!"

Thanks, but isn't that just what friends do?

Maybe it's a Texas thang. :)
 
Doc, I don't think it's a Texas thing, but it probably started there! (I miss living in Texas!) I'm glad this worked out for your friend, and I hope we can all take a lesson from him.
 
Thankfully things worked out well (or as well as they could) for the lawfully carrying citizen, and hopefully the perp will do serious time for the robbery attempt.

That said, I'm curious what your friend's experience with the PD/Sheriff's office was? In our training in the North, there is a strong bias towards asking for an attorney before answering any questions, but maybe that's not how to best conduct oneself in Texas?

Anyhow, thanks already for all the info shared, and looking forward to learning more.
 
They gave him a nod and a pat on the back.

He'll get his gun back in a few weeks.

We've had several CHL carrier self-defense shootings within the last few months.

No big hassles or problems legally.

Texas has always had a lot of varmits and dealt with them in a straight forward manner.
 
good for your friend! i am glad to hear that things ended well for him. also, good move on your part to lend him a replacement pistol. i would hate to go unarmed especially after an event like that.
 
Thanks, but isn't that just what friends do?

Maybe it's a Texas thang.
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No, but it is a rare thing these days!

You have my respect and admiration.

Remember:
A friend will supply bail when called.
A real friend will lean over to you in the jail cell and say "We sure had fun, didn't we!? Let's do it again sometime!" :D
 
Glad the situation turned out as well as it has and that the police have treated him well. Just a thought: is it possible that discussing this here becomes a legal liability for you or your friend, if this <removed> decides to take your friend to trial in a civil court? It's Texas, so it shouldn't be too much a concern, but just wanted to point this out.
 
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Discussing it here is by a third party, me, not my friend.

We've thought it through, and he's going to remain silent until it gets through the LE process which shouldn't be but a few weeks.

I could be making things up, embellishing, or changing things.

He can't be held responsible for any of what I say.

And, as you pointed out, it's Texas and a clear case of a legally armed citizen lawfully defending himself from an armed, career criminal.
 
Smart move, looks like you guys are handling it the right way.

I have to say I'm not envious, at all.

You can't help but have that thought when you carry - "maybe I'll be able to stop someone from getting killed."

But having a shotgun shoved in your face by a criminal.. good grief. THAT is a wake up call like no other. Pretty sure I'd need a change of drawers after that.

One question - why was the car/truck left idling with the engine running in the parking lot unlocked?

I live in a "safe" area, low crime, and *I* lock my car even if I'm just going in to the gas station for 15 seconds to grab a receipt.

Seems like it's at least one thing could have made this guy pass on to the next vehicle.
 
One question - why was the car/truck left idling with the engine running in the parking lot unlocked?
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Typical of a diesel truck in TX. I do it all the time when I run into someplace real quick.. So it really wouldn't seem out of place in a smaller town like the op's


Thou I did wonder what happened to the truck in this story.. Was there a driver that took off? Was the criminal the driver and left his truck?
 
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