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Good handgun for small, female college student..?

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Does anyone have any recommendations for my first handgun? I don't really know anything about them. I'm looking for something small, powerful, and with a recoil I can handle. I also have an extremely low budget--around $400. :uhoh: I also want something I can carry around, but powerful enough to reasonably take down a very heavy man. I obviously won't be carrying it around my campus, but I have had problems with a stalker who's pretty unstable and pretty big.

Anyway, I hope I'm not being too broad/demanding, but if anyone has a general recommendation, that'd be awesome. :cool:
 
CZ guys, chine in here with your 9mm models (I don't know the model numbers offhand.)
Miss Paisan, you might be well served with a good .38 caliber revolver, and many will fall in under four bills. Avoid the "airweight" versions; they can be kinda snappy. Smith and Wesson 442/642 models come to mind, though they will not be new for that price. So do the older Charter Arms Undercover models (I have one from 1987 that has served me quite well as both a backup and off-duty gun when I was in LE), and the newest ones. Taurus makes a solid .38 known as the Model 85. The Ruger SP101 should also be a good prospect. These snubnose revolvers all hold five rounds each.
The aforementioned Ruger LCR is also a good choice but, around here, you'd be hard-pressed to find one under $400.
Once your choice is made, stop back by here and let us know how you did, and that you're getting some practice..!
By the way, if this is just going to be a "dorm" or apartment gun, and not carried, you might be well-served by a 20-gauge shotgun (get someone you know with a 12-gauge to let you try it out; if you are okay with it, go with the 12.)
 
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The only thing I can tell you is that it is a very personal decision. You will just have to go to gun stores / gun shows and handle any you think you might like.
 
+1 for a Taurus 85, maybe with a 3 inch barrel... the steel version... " glaser" saftey slugs maybe, and practice shooting into the pelvic girdle... its a big target, produces massive shock and bleeding, and easier than a head or heart shot.

-some pepper spray for walking around(those kimber ones seem pretty cool)

-take a self defense course that has a heavy emphasis on situational awareness. some down and dirty "attack and get away" tactics...

-shotguns are nice for the house but... I recommnded one once to a co-worker(a clerk at a police department)... a patrol officer overheard and brought up the idea that if you dont have a good deal of shottie experience(pump guns) that in a hi-stress situation you could short-rack the shotgun, jamming it, etc... he recommended a revolver. or a glock 17.
so a shottie'd be fine, but really shoot it, join a trap league, etc..
 
First, If you don't already have one you should get your CCW license.

Second, I think that MedWheeler is right that a snubbie 38 Special would be a good choice. Preferably made of steel and not a lightweight alloy. While the lightweight versions are more comfortable to carry they also are more punishing for the user. There are some exceptions however; for example, the Ruger LCR has a Grip made by Hogue called the "Tamer" grip. It is appropriately named as it does a decent job of "taming" the recoil of the lightweight gun.

If you're on a budget, I would look into one of the following:

a used S&W J frame in steel - they can be found pretty cheap in local shops

a Ruger LCR - http://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/models.html

a Taurus model 85 - http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=CC2&toggle=tr

Charter arms undercover - http://www.charterfirearms.com/products/Charter_Undercover_13820.html

Originally posted by searcher451
The relatively new Walther/Umarex PK380. It's light recoil and ease of use are good options for new shooters, IMO

The Walther PK380 is a good choice if you choose a pistol over a revolver. My GF says the the slide is the eaisest of all of my guns to operate.

Specs:
Model: PK380
Caliber: .380 ACP
Action: Single/Double Action
Barrel Length: 3.66"
Capacity: 8+1 Rounds
Overall Length: 6.5"
Height: 5.2"
Width: 1.2"
Sights: 3-Dot Steel, Drift Adjustable Rear Windage
Sight Radius: 5.4"
Weight (w/mag): 19.4 oz.
Material: Steel Frame/Slide/Barrel
Finish: Black

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...angId=-1&parent_category_rn=60806&isFirearm=Y
 
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A revolver is a great first gun. They are very reliable and simple to use. Buy a Smith & Wesson or a Ruger revolver chambered for the .38 Special, which is plenty powerful enough. Get one with a 4" long barrel, avoid the snubbies or really small guns, which are harder to shoot accurately. Make sure to get training from the NRA on how to shoot it and what kind of ammunition to use. Study the statutes in your state about use of deadly force in your own residence. Pepper spray can be carried with you where allowed by your State law, make sure to practice with that so you know how it works. Don't carry the revolver illegally, you will go to jail. Get legal help with Stalker. Best of luck to you.

Edited to add: why suggest that a beginner get such a small gun like a snubbie? They are harder to shoot and recoil more. Get her started with something a little bigger and easier to handle, so she can learn to shoot accurately and doesn't develop a nasty flinch. The slightly larger revolvers are a lot easier to learn to shoot well, just my humble opinion.
 
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It would be best to go to a gun range and rent/shoot as many differnt makes/calibers that you can.Then you will know what you like and shoot well.Many good small semi-autos out there in 9mm,and don't over-look a good 38spl. snub revolver.No matter what you end-up with,PRATICE,PRACTICE and PRACTICE some more.
 
Don't bet your life on a Taurus. Get a S&W or Ruger used or new and you'll have a good dependable gun for the rest of your life.
 
Agree with oldbanjo as above. If you go with a .38 snub, get training and practice!
 
Paisan Princess,

Here's my wife's opinion on your situation:

- Getting a restraining order on a stalker might be an appropriate action to take. Sometimes it works, sometimes it makes the situation worse. If you're afraid enough for your safety that you're considering getting armed, talk to the police. They tend to know a lot about this sort of thing; they've seen a lot of it before, and they can tell you what you can do.

- Take a general self-defense class, and if you still want to get a handgun after that, take a class on defensive handguning. Many self-defense instructors advise against carrying a weapon you're not trained with, otherwise it can get used against you. Handguns take a lot of training & practice to become a useful weapon, but they're easier (in my opinion) than alternatives like martial arts.

I'd recommend finding friends who are already focused on self-defense. It helps you to develop it in yourself, and they can teach you a lot.

As far as handguns are concerned, I'd look into a steel .38 special revolver. They're easy to shoot, easy to clean, and "good enough" for most defensive situations. Plus, their grips tend to be more ergonomic than an automatic's - an auto grip has to hold a magazine, while a revolver grip is just meant to grab.

When my wife picked a gun, she spent a lot of time in gun shops, mainly handling them to see if she liked the way they felt & how much they weighed. Steel revolvers tend to weigh 20+ ounces, which makes them comfortable to shoot but heavier to carry. Aluminum revolvers weigh ~15 ounces, which is nice for packing, but they kick harder.

If you want new, Charter Arm's Mag Pug can be found under $400. Used, you might find a Ruger SP101 or Smith & Wesson 640, 60, or 36 that works for you.

Here are two websites I'd recommend reading through if you'd like to learn more: http://www.io.com/~cortese/firearms/index.html
http://www.corneredcat.com/

Feel free to post questions, we're all glad to give our 2 cents. I hope things work out.
 
My wife is a small thing and started with a GP100 and loves it. Shoots .38's in it, almost no recoil and with small grips fits her hands perfectly.
 
Here's my opinion. You should try several different ones and see what feels right for you.
For a first gun and little experience, I'd check out a used (or new) S&W Ladysmith revolver.
It's small, easy to use, made for a woman, and in .38 should be cheap to shoot and have minimal recoil.
If you want really small, and under $400, go for the Ruger LCP in .380. It will have more recoil due to it's tiny size, but it will be easy to use and carry.
Good luck.
Come back any time.
 
Personally, I wouldn’t purchase any firearm, much less a semi-automatic pistol, sight unseen for a women, many of which would have difficulty retracting the slide. I have several CZ’s, and although fine pistols, I generally would not recommend any of them to a women simply because, when compared to other semi-automatic pistols, there’s not much slide area to grab onto the way they’re designed. Best thing to do is bring her to a local gun shop and let her handle and select what works for her.
 
I'd recommend a .38 Spl revolver too.

For a first handgun purchaser, there is nothing any safer.
Or effective without much training or experiance.

It's either loaded, or it is empty.
You can tell instantly by opening the cylinder and looking at it.

Unlike auto pistols, there is no manual of arms you have to practice and remember like:
(There is still a round in the chamber after you take the magazine out.)
(Did I load the chamber after I put the magazine in?)
(What do I do if it jams when I need it most?)

rc
 
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Buy an inexpensive .22 handgun. .22 ammo is dirt cheap and has close to zero recoil. After shooting a few thousand rounds through your .22, you'll have the skills and the experience to choose a centerfire pistol for defense. .22 ammo is approximately 1/10th the price of .38, 9mm, etc. The money you save in ammo to train yourself will pay for the .22 handgun many times over.

To buy a defense handgun before you develop the skills is to put the cart before the horse. A .22 is the best trainer. There are no shortcuts.
 
Any gun that fits your hand comfortably will work. Don't really see the need for a revolver unless you absolutely can't rack a slide.
 
Hand gun ownership age limits vary by state, some 21 y/o others 18 y/o. Check what your state allows.

-Boxcab
 
One of the police trade-in S&W revolvers at J&G Sales would be a good nightstand gun. Not too much recoil, not too expensive, and very reliable. My second choice would be a Bulgarian Makarov. More concealable, about the same weight or slightly less, similar reliability and similar firepower. The biggest negative to the Mak is the greater complexity of a semi-auto for a casual user. Slightly more finicky to clean, and they DO need a good cleaning before first use because of the preservative.
 
Stolen from Kristen Bauer of RangeUSA, it is sound advice.

Gun Powder will be a recurring article in Libertas! It's an article written by a female, from a female's perspective, dealing with female topics, but intended for everyone's benefit! Enjoy!

Almost every day (and sometimes several times a day) a man comes to the range and explains that he is here to select a gun for his wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, or similar. This situation stills leaves us with the slim chance of convincing him otherwise. The saddest cases are those men that come in and while perusing the inventory of both new and consignment firearms explain the handgun he chose for the female in his life and why he chose it. My heart sinks as those words are spoken and I feel for the woman who is using a handgun that probably doesn't fit her hand, is probably not the highest caliber she can effectively control, and most importantly is not a handgun that she LOVES!

From time to time a customer will come in (both men and women) and ask the our customer service representative, "What is the best handgun for a woman?" If I am behind the counter and a male employee is asked his response will usually be, "Well, it depends." And then he will point to me and say; "She carries a full size 1911 in .45ACP." This basically demonstrates to the customer that handguns whether manufacturer, model, or caliber are not specific to either men or women. Rather there are many handguns that differ in size, shape, function, and caliber that appeal to different PEOPLE. Since they are not gender specific and there are so many options available, it is extremely important (and has actually become a pet-peeve of mine) that women (and actually ALL people in general) chose their own handgun.

Ladies, ask yourselves what does that man in your life buy you? Does he pick out and purchase your clothes for you? Your shoes? Your purses? Make-up? Other personal items? There may be a woman or two that is the exception to this, but I'd bet one of my Wilson Combat 1911s that most women select those items themselves even if the man provides the cash. There may be a few cases where the man has been properly trained in selecting certain items. For example, my husband has been properly trained in the area of purses for Kristen. He knows the smaller the better, he knows the colors I'll carry, and he knows Brighton purses are always a winner. Therefore, he can select and purchase them for me. Besides jewelry, I can't think of any other items he selects on my behalf.

So, that brings me to the whole point of my article this month. Ladies, you need to pick out your own handgun! Do not let a man go buy one for you and bring it home unless you have been included in the selection process. This goes for other ladies that you know. If your mother, sister, friend, or co-worker is in the market for a handgun, let her read this article or pass along the message that she needs to be involved in the choice.

Think about it this way.....a handgun whether carried with a permit or used at home for self-defense could one day be the only thing that stands between you creating more memories with your loved ones or not. It could be the very tool that saves your life. Doesn't it make sense then that the handgun, whether revolver or semi-automatic, have a grip fit that fits the lady's hand, that it be a caliber she can effectively control, have a manageable trigger pull for her, and be reliable, and my most important feature, shouldn't it be a gun she LOVES!? If all of these things are true for the lady, then she will want to bring it to the range to practice (try Date Night or Ladies Day). It will become not only a hobby for her, but also allow her to defend herself, other loved ones, and maybe even other innocent bystanders. I think people should have a relationship with their gun. By that I mean find a gun you LOVE. You will know it when you do (grip, sights, trigger pull, etc.) It may take a while to find it (and maybe many of you settled for a handgun that you just LIKE), but when you pick it up and shoot it you will know it is the one - the one you LOVE.

There are several ways to find that handgun you LOVE at Range USA. We have a wide selection of rental firearms, we offer a Handgun Evaluation class where you can try different handguns along with other students and an instructor, and we offer a Personal Handgun Consultation where one individual spends an hour with an instructor shooting different makes, models, and calibers. All of these options will help individuals narrow down if not chose the best handgun - and hopefully one they LOVE.

Lastly, I have to ask the men that are providing financial assistant to a lady in their life who is purchasing a gun not to buy a P.O.J. (piece of junk....or any other letter you chose to replace the J with). Remember with guns, you usually get what you pay for. The cheaper you go, the less likely it will perform correctly every time you shoot it. For a hobby gun you may not mind sacrificing reliability for cost, but don't sacrifice reliability when your life depends on it. Men should also keep in mind that most times they are the ones in the front line - whether it is a bump in the night they are investigating or a criminal on the street. If the man steps up to defend the lady in their life and they are injured, then who is left to protect them? Is it a lady with a P.O.J. gun, that doesn't fit her hand, she doesn't practice with, and therefore will not shoot accurately? Or is it a good, reliable handgun that fits her hand, which she practices with regularly at the range, and is that handgun that she LOVES? You know my vote is for the second option. So, ladies be involved in the selection of firearms (both handguns and shotguns) that you will use for any purpose! Men, bring those ladies to us and we will help her find the gun she LOVES. We will love you more for it and of course out shoot you with it!



For those of you that missed last month's Gun Powder article on ladies being better shooters then men see the Range USA February Newsletter.

Once you think you have found a gun you like or in the words of Kristen Bauer "LOVE", then do some research on that particular gun to see if it is generally reliable, etc. If you are not old enough to own/carry a handgun there are other force options available like OC, Tasers, etc. that are worth looking into.

Letting the police know what is going on is also a good idea, but do not rely on them for protection, just back up if you ever need it.

It is also critical that once you select your weapon of choice, firearm or otherwise, get some training on how to use it effectly in a defensive situation.
 
Edit: Agree 100% with the above post.



Good 1st timers...or any timers imo.

Revolvers: Selected for reliability and ease of operation.

Smith and Wesson
- Various sizes
- .38 cal

Ruger
- Same as above

Auto's
-Selected for their reliability as used in competition and for duty, and relative ease of operation.

Glock full and compact sizes
- Simple to operate
- Reliable
- Reasonably priced
- Wide range of caliber and size selection

Springfield XD series
- Same as above
- Different ergonomics

Smith and Wesson M&P series
- Same as above

My preference is to stick with brands that have proven track records in competition shooting and / or duty use with LEO agencies. While each gun is subject to potential issues as a result of the mass production process, firearms adopted by LE and military agencies at LEAST undergo performance and reliability tests that are indicative of their potential quality.

While ANY firearm MAY be successfully used for defense no matter how large or small, the most important factor for successfully using a firearm for defense imo is having the will to use it when you need to...

Without the will, there is no point in having it for defense.

While size DOES matter, it does NOT matter if you can't manage the recoil, or the gun is so big you won't carry it. Go with a firearm that you are comfortable enough with to carry, and that you can fire safely, accurately and quickly.

There are NO guarantees in "stopping" power however, as there have been folks who have shrugged off repeated hits with even the largest defensive rounds. HOWEVER, there are also attacks that have been STOPPED by even the SMALLEST defensive round. Hope for the best, expect the worse.

Good luck.
 
why suggest that a beginner get such a small gun like a snubbie? They are harder to shoot and recoil more. Get her started with something a little bigger and easier to handle, so she can learn to shoot accurately and doesn't develop a nasty flinch. The slightly larger revolvers are a lot easier to learn to shoot well, just my humble opinion

Because a snubbie in her purse is better than a 4" revolver in her dresser drawer (If she has her CCW)
 
I agree with what some others have said. I have personally fired several weapons including a light weight. Stick with a non-airweight snubbie. Women tend to keep a weapon in their pocketbook. or a hip holster. I carry a 22 Taurus, and 38 S&W snubbie.. Retired Law Enforcement Officer..

5-Screw .38 SPL S & W pre-36 6.jpg
 
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