Got the .30-’06 box mag fed semi auto blues.

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I have a Garand. I love it. But I would like to use modern factory loads on occasion and would like a detachable box mag.

I don’t really want a .308. But I want something with a bit more thump than the intermediate cartridge detachable box mag fed semi autos I already have. I would really love a semi auto detachable mag fed .30-’06. But I’d like something with a few more rounds than the available 4 round OEM mags.

I know about the Ohio Ordnance Works BAR copy, but that’s just a hair out of my price range.

Are there any real options other than the Remington 750 and taking a chance on Triple K mags?

Any ideas or am I gonna get stuck going for a .308 and having to stock yet another caliber?
 
Well, I don't know what else you own obviously, but if I have one box of cartridge A for one rifle, and a different box of Cartridge A for a different rifle, then it's just like stocking up on a whole different caliber. I mean, if you can't interchange the ammo anyway, might as well be a whole different chambering.


Just a thought, in case the blues get into the navy range cause you can't find exactly what you're after.
 
if you can't interchange the ammo anyway, might as well be a whole different chambering.
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I can fire the same round I already have for my Garand in a newer '06 rifle. I can step up and have a few rounds (factory or hand load) that explore the higher powers of the newer rifle with out having to stock a whole new iteration of a baseline stockpile in .308.

Right now the blues are only in the "Columbia" range.
 
looked at the saiga. While it looks good, I think it only has 4 rnd mag as well.

FN-49 in .30-'06 would seem about as hard to find as the Johnson. I thought all the 49's were converted to .308? The BM is in .308 ( I thought)

The Cobb 300 looks way cool. how spendy?
 
Plenty of used Remingtons out there, though in my experience they prefer the kind of hot ammo that's bad for your Garand.
 
If the main downside for the garand is it not liking commercial ammo, look at getting an adjustable gas plug (schuster plug ) or one with alternate "jets" (check fulton-armory). Either style can be had for $30-$40 and will let you tweak op rod speeds to accomodate the pulse from the slower powders in commercial loads. Start out w/ the most open setting/jet & move to tighter ones til it cycles like it should.

Nick
 
get an old remmy 740. or 742, or the like , with the 10 round mag, they are made by remmy as well. You can find those 10 round mags everywhere.
 
HPD,
The Cobb is a bit cheaper than the OOW BAR. They run, on the site, from between $3.5K and $3.8K.


I didn’t know the Benelli had an after market 10 rounder. Steep $ on the mag, but that looks nice.


Nikdfish,
That is definitely an option. Does that have any adverse affects on the rest of the parts?


Andrewsky,
If I could afford the OOW BAR, I would not be faklempt about stocking yet another caliber. I’d also throw a party and invite everyone down for the show.


USAnumberONE,
It’s not “Tactical”. It’s, “retrofitted for a non-sporting role.” And yes, wouldn’t that be really cool.


Rangerruck,
I’m close to that, but the other post about the Remington not cycling well with the surplus ammo kinda worried me.


Thanks for all the replies. This is really helpful.
 
Arthur,

My understanding is that, properly set, an adjustable gas plug takes care of the only problematic issues associated with firing commercial loads in a Garand.

Most every description I ran across on line of damage from firing commercial loads contained references to a bent op rod and/or broken op road springs or (less often) a receiver cracked by the op rod slaming the bolt back at too high a speed. The problem being not the maximum pressure reached, but the presence of a higher pressure at the point in time that the bullet passes the gas port than is seen with the original loads. The slower powders in some (most?) commercial loads results in a pressure curve with a higher tail than is seen with the faster powder used in the mil-spec load, even if the maximum pressure seen is the same or less.

By bleeding off some of the port pressure, you reduce the maximum impulse received by the op rod & associated components. Its the force acting on the op rod gas piston that causes the damage, not the pressure in the barrel.

I am not speaking from any personal expertise, I am working from posts and articles from folks that appeared to be knowledgable and experienced Garand shooters. For a better technical discussion, I'd suggest touching base with some of the folks on one the dedicated garand forums.

I haven't yet shot any commercial loads through mine, but will definately add an adjustable gas plug before doing so.

Nick
 
What modern factory loads are you not able to try? The main issue as far as I have read in tech books is with bullet weights over 168 gr. The gas port was designed for the 147/150 gr FMJ round. There should be no problem shooting any of the modern 150 - 165 gr loads.

Only if you want to shoot 180 gr and heavier would you need to get one of the after market gas plugs.

I shoot Federal and Remington FMJ and SP in 150 gr and 165 gr in my M1 all the time with no signs of undue bashing. I also reload using modern reloading manual specs, and some of the manuals describe exactly the limits in powders and bullet weights you should work within. IIRC, it is something like no powders slower that IMR-4895 and no bullets heavier than 168 gr.

From disassembly a few commercial rounds I suspects that bullet manufacturers tend to use the fastest powder they can get a way with. The reason I think is that you need fewer grains of a faster powder to achieve about the same velocity. Over thousands or millions of rounds those few grains saved add up to significant savings. the only reason for them to use slower powder would be a heavier bullet requiring it. for us hand loaders we might use a slower powder because it was more consistent, more accurate, or was what we had on hand.

What lead you to believe you could not shoot modern ammo in you M1? Just curious as I have not seen this before and perhaps I have missed something important.
 
Rangerruck,
I’m close to that, but the other post about the Remington not cycling well with the surplus ammo kinda worried me.
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Nonsense. I never have a problem with mine. You want to watch the barrel though, they heat up fast in the 740s. 10 rounds in a minute would mean about a five minute break in average air temperatures, unless you want to chance compromising the barrel. It is a hunting rifle.
 
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