Governors: Driver's License Costs to Increase

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Real-ID comes home to roost - and it's going to cost us money.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162857,00.html

Governors: Driver's License Costs to Increase
Monday, July 18, 2005

WASHINGTON — In the name of homeland security, motorists are going to see costs skyrocket for driver's licenses (search) and motor vehicle offices forced to operate like local branches of the FBI, the nation's governors warn.

The new federal law squeezed this spring into an $82 billion spending bill had Republican and Democrat governors fuming at their summer conference, with several bringing their complaints to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff (search) at a Monday meeting.

"It's outrageous to pass this off on the states," said Republican Mike Huckabee of Arkansas, incoming chairman of the National Governors Association. "You're essentially asking the front-line clerks at the DMV to become an INS agent and a law enforcement agent."

The law that passed in June goes beyond an earlier measure that sought to standardize state driver's licenses, requiring that states verify license applicants are American citizens or legal residents.

"This is going to drive the cost of driver's licenses for ordinary folks through the roof," said Democrat Tom Vilsack of Iowa. "I think it's going to drive people crazy."

Chertoff assured governors his agency will work with them to design a driver's license system that is efficient for consumers and more secure. He said it is an opportunity to strengthen safeguards against identity theft as well as terrorism.

"We want to work with the states," Chertoff said. The law gives states until 2008 to make the necessary changes.

It would demand skills of motor vehicle office clerks far beyond what is currently expected, governors said.

Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat from New Mexico, said the law — known as the REAL ID Act (search) — unconstitutionally infringed on state laws in several places, including his own state where illegal immigrants have been able to get licenses.

New Mexico's approach has made roads safer, since licensed immigrants can get insured, he said, adding that it also helps the state keep track of immigrants and integrate them into the community.

"It's a shortsighted, ill-conceived initiative," Richardson said. "We'll challenge it constitutionally."

On Sunday, governors said they'd agreed on a months long bipartisan proposal to improve the federal-state Medicaid program. They said it should help slow the program's soaring costs, and let states experiment with more effective ways to deliver health care.

If accepted in Washington, the governors' plan would allow states to demand co-payments from poor, disabled and women with children, and add tools to curb seniors from giving relatives their assets so they could get Medicaid-funded long-term care.

Sen. Charles Grassley, the Iowa Republican who chairs the Senate Finance Committee, said the governors' work was crucial to winning agreement in Congress on any Medicaid changes. President Bush wants to trim the growth in the program by $10 billion over five years.

The governors proposal "is really key to getting something done. We will not get a bipartisan agreement in Congress without a bipartisan agreement from the governors," Grassley said after meeting privately with governors.

Governors also took aim at a piece of Bush's new Medicare drug prescription policy, with more than a dozen weighing a legal fight to challenge part of the new law.

Their concerns centered on a relatively small portion of the policy that would affect the elderly who are poor enough to qualify for Medicaid and old enough to qualify for Medicare.

Governors have long argued that the federal government should pay the costs of that group, which are significantly higher per person than for the rest of the Medicaid population.

The new Medicare law means the federal government nominally takes over responsibility for that group, but requires states to continue to pay the overwhelming majority of the bill for their drugs by sending cash to Washington. Many governors said the complex and cumbersome federal formula means they would pay more money than before.

Texas and New Hampshire have put aside the money they would send to the federal government to cover those drug benefits until the dispute is resolved. Republican Rick Perry of Texas wrote a letter to fellow governors arguing they should work together to change the federal policy.
 
It doesn't matter if they pass it on to the states or "pay for it" from the Federal level. We still end up paying for it.
 
Gov. Bill Richardson, a Democrat from New Mexico, said the law — known as the REAL ID Act (search) — unconstitutionally infringed on state laws in several places, including his own state where illegal immigrants have been able to get licenses.

New Mexico's approach has made roads safer, since licensed immigrants can get insured, he said, adding that it also helps the state keep track of immigrants and integrate them into the community.

"It's a shortsighted, ill-conceived initiative," Richardson said. "We'll challenge it constitutionally."

I'm not even going to comment on the stupidity of Gov. Richardson's policy and statement
 
I also heard....

that the DMV has trouble determing who's a citizen. This new process will be hard on them. Yet, none of them has a problem registering people to vote. I wonder how for 1 function it's easy for the other it's hard?
Am I confused here? :evil:
 
I'm not even going to comment on the stupidity of Gov. Richardson's policy and statement
Yeah, because, like, since insurance companies require a driver's license to get insurance, like, we, like wouldn't want illegals to get insurance if they're gonna be driving on the roads, now, would we?
 
Ever sat in line at the passport agency? :banghead: Gonna be that, all over again. Have long waits for idiots that don't bring the right information, and then you will walk right up and it will take no longer than 2 minutes.
 
Aside from the fact that he is a Democrat, I am not sure why people are finding fault with what Richardson said.

He has illegal aliens in his state. The federal government is supposed to throw them out (since they are breaking federal law), but does not. Thats the federal governments problem. Encouraging them to have insurance would seem to make sense to me.
 
Derek
By definition, illegals aren't supposed to be here and as a consequence of their status aren't eligible for a DL *or the right to vote which makes the insurance angle irrelevant. Yes?
Biker
 
By definition, illegals aren't supposed to be here and as a consequence of their status aren't eligible for a DL *or the right to vote which makes the insurance angle irrelevant. Yes?
I think you can call the "insurance angle irrelevant" up until the point where you get into an accident with an uninsured driver. At that point it becomes reallyrelevant, especially if you weren't in an automobile at the time.

Do you really think it's possible to live in most of the US without a car? Do you really believe that illegals that are already here are not driving? If so, I want them to have insurance.

Call me selfish...
 
We honor drivers from other countries when they have licenses in their own country and thier insurance covers them... so the insurance argument is bunk.

IDs only make them harder to ID as illegals... nothing more.
 
The governors want the federal government to hand them more free money. They're whining and snivelling and crying in the hope that if they make enough noise, they'll get some free money.

They should shut up and get back to work.
 
The point is Derek, if they're here illegaly, the DL and insurance issues are moot. The key word is ILLEGAL. If the DLB and insurance companies can gather enough info on them to qualify them for said services, they should, with rare exceptions, have enough info to determine that they are here illegaly. As such, they should be booted the hell out. Quick, fast and in a hurry. Meanwhile, aiding and abetting an illegal alien usually constitutes a federal law. Fair enough?

Biker
 
I live in southern california where there are tons of illegals. Just because someone has a drivers license what makes people think they will have insurance too. Supposedly they have all have the crappy low paying jobs so how are they going to pay for the insurance. Even if it is manditory to have insurance to get a license they can pay for a month and cancel it. I personally think that you should be legally here for a drivers license or ID card and you need that for any kind of services. Enough is enough. Next they need crack down on the employers, no legal residency, no work period and enforce it with penalties that will get there attention. Mark
 
New Mexico's approach has made roads safer, since licensed immigrants can get insured, he said, adding that it also helps the state keep track of immigrants and integrate them into the community.

"It's a shortsighted, ill-conceived initiative," Richardson said. "We'll challenge it constitutionally."

I am trying to understand how having insurance makes a driver safer.

I am also trying to understand New Mexico's 'tracking' program. Who else is tracked by this program?

Pilgrim
 
Can the Governor of a state force the federal government to police the border and stop illegal aliens from coming in?

Does a state have the power to police a national border?

If Richardson can't do anything to stop illegal aliens from coming, why is it wrong for him to want them to have insurance?
 
This ain't about illegal immigration, folks. "Real ID" is offensive. Obscene. Reprehensible. Evil.

I am NOT an item of chattel to be inventoried by the Fed. I will not be serial numbered, barcoded, RFID'd or otherwise tagged in a "machine readable format".



When I first heard that states were resisting Real ID I thought that perhaps they were going to stand up for our rights and theirs. I was wrong. They're plenty eager to sell us out, they just want a bigger payoff.

I guess the traditional 30 pieces of silver isn't enough anymore.
 
Derek,

Do you really think they're going to get insurance? It doesnt take long to figure out that they'd be better off getting out of that situation by giving bogus info as opposed to giving real insurance info and then paying.

The proper thing to do is deport them, not reward them for breaking our laws by allowing them to drive on our roads and making it easy for them to vote in elections.
 
Do you really think they're going to get insurance? It doesnt take long to figure out that they'd be better off getting out of that situation by giving bogus info as opposed to giving real insurance info and then paying.
Yeah, I do.

It's one thing to give insurance information that's then handled and goes away, maybe with increased rates. Remember, in lots of states (CA according to the radio this afternoon) you can't register your car without insurance. Buy, yes. Reregister, no.

So, to have no insurance means you're buying a new car every year, or you're running around without a registration and you're at risk to be pulled over for that, plus the risk of a "hit and run" if you get into an accident.

Really, I think your average illegal driving a hooptie would rather pay the $700/year for the minimum level of coverage and keep a low profile.

This ain't about illegal immigration, folks. "Real ID" is offensive. Obscene. Reprehensible. Evil.
This is very true. I don't know that I want to drag 4 kinds of ID down to ID myself, personally. To be honest, I haven't decided whether I'll submit to that once we get to that point.

It's a question that requires a lot of thought before I answer...
 
Big deal. License fees are cheap, and this will make us safer. Last thing I want to worry about is some Muslim terorrist smashing his car into some important building.
 
Does it mean I can now drop my Uninsured Motorist Coverage and my Underinsured Motorist Coverage, both of which are required by my state law? Insurance is a bogus argument.

States do not want to get into the document inspection bidness because it will 1>be effective and thereby cause an economic impact to those who rely on illegal immigrants, and 2>it will put into stark relief the fraud known as Motor Voter.
 
Big deal. License fees are cheap, and this will make us safer. Last thing I want to worry about is some Muslim terorrist smashing his car into some important building.
If terrorists can already forge passports and other documents what makes you think they can't forge REAL ID's? Or, get this, enter the country illegaly without even forged ID's.
 
Wow.

Yeah, because, like, since insurance companies require a driver's license to get insurance, like, we, like wouldn't want illegals to get insurance if they're gonna be driving on the roads, now, would we?

If they are here illegally anyway, this is a moot point. Criminals don't follow laws - by definition.

I think you can call the "insurance angle irrelevant" up until the point where you get into an accident with an uninsured driver. At that point it becomes reallyrelevant, especially if you weren't in an automobile at the time.

This reminds me of an anti-gun argument. They are here illegally anyway!

I am NOT an item of chattel to be inventoried by the Fed. I will not be serial numbered, barcoded, RFID'd or otherwise tagged in a "machine readable format".

Too late, we pretty much are. Drivers license number, SSN, firearm serial #'s, your car's VIN, your license plate... We all have serial numbers attached to us and most things we do.

Big deal. License fees are cheap, and this will make us safer. Last thing I want to worry about is some Muslim terorrist smashing his car into some important building.

HA! Course cars are SO hard to steal. After all driving though a building is MUCH more destructive after you've properly registered and insured your car. Wonder if comprehensive would cover that? :)

If terrorists can already forge passports and other documents what makes you think they can't forge REAL ID's? Or, get this, enter the country illegaly without even forged ID's.

Hmm… Supply and demand anyone?
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Let's see...
The illegal im's and the criminal ilk will continue to be illegal and do criminal stuff and now they'll even have something additional (State sponsored RealID) to steal.
Terrorists will always be able to either work within the system with false ID or even real ID.
Law-abiding tax-paying citizens will fund YET ANOTHER feel good GOV'T INSPIRED program which will allow even more intrusive inspection by governing agencies into their tax paying lives... while criminal, illegal im's and terrorist activities continue basically unchecked...

Is that about right? :scrutiny:

So another form of black market PROLE economy will surface and we'll have a huge US v. THEM game of life. Black market medicine, food, transport, housing, etc. for those without THEIR PAPERS (RealID).

Life oughta be even more interesting in the next century, doncha think?
 
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