Governors: Driver's License Costs to Increase

[RealGun]

Perhaps the Governors are saying that the Real ID Act is an unfunded mandate when linked to funds intended for other purposes. They are asking for funding specific to implementation of the Real ID Act or setting up that discussion. The starting position is to be overly dramatic about the costs or inconveniences.

 

[Kim]

HAHAHAHAHAH> If I remember right the ONE time Bill Clinton lost his governor seat was when he raised license fees on autos. He did not do that again. Pissed everyone off.

 

[hvengel]

California already requires that you have to prove that you are here legaly. You need a Social Security card and either a US birth certificate or a green card. This has been in place since the late 1980s and was only not the law for a short period before and after the recall election. Driver license and non-driver ID cards have fees that are low double digits (>$20) and the license is good for 3 to 5 years (depends on driving record). So how much does the extra effort to verify legal status add to the cost of driver license fees in California?

Of course there are other requirements beyond checking for legal presence in the real ID law but if Calif can do this checking and have fees this low I don't think cost is the real issue. Instead I think what is going on is the these governors want the feds to give them more money.

 

[Glock Glockler]

So, to have no insurance means you're buying a new car every year, or you're running around without a registration and you're at risk to be pulled over for that, plus the risk of a "hit and run" if you get into an accident

What is to stop one person from registering 10 cars, paying the fees, and then "lending" them to his friends?

 

[thorn726]

since licensed immigrants can get insured

at least they finally explain the logic. i concur, they would be more likely to get insurance. you get pulled over with no insurance in most states, the car is GONE. besides towed, REGIStration can be suspended, car is useless. insurance is not that expensive.

OF COURSE some illegals will still do the other stuff mentioned and drive illegaly

What is to stop one person from registering 10 cars, paying the fees, and then "lending" them to his friends?

doh! the first one that gets pulled over ruins it for all ten., it aint happenin.

ultimately id agree it's all about money, local cops want to avoid enforcing ins rules.

the REAL ID- this thing is just too scary to think about.
hopefully it will be so outragously expensive it will cause massive protest and be withdrawn

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Ever sat in line at the passport agency?

Dum question - what's a passport agency? I applied for mine at a post office. No line, but a few forms, and a very nice photo

It would demand skills of motor vehicle office clerks far beyond what is currently expected, governors said.

That's raising the bar to the point where someone might stub their toe on it.

In general, this is a bad rule. If we can't issue DL's to the illegals, how can we expect them to vote for our favorite Democrats?

Regards.

 

[dpesec]

Lone_Gunman

A governor most likely can't do squat about the boarder. But once they are past the boarder it's the state's problem. They can lock the illegals up and turn them over to the Feds. That will never happen, why because it's politically incorrect. All many, if not most of the politicians care about is getting reelected. Deporting somebody's cousin won't secure the family's vote.

The whole issue centers on votes, just another way to buy votes. :banghead:

 

[RealGun]

The whole issue centers on votes, just another way to buy votes. - dpesec

Is that the tyranny of the majority in action or elected officials complying with what the campaign money sources want? Seems to me that the voters need to make it an informed issue and show up on election day.

 

[Kurush]

The point about giving DMV employees more responsibility is valid I think. In my experience it seems like DMV is pretty much where the state government sends employees who are so stupid they can't work anywhere else. I once sat in a DMV office for half an hour because some guy had left his old (expired, holepunched) drivers license on their desk rather than thrown it away, and the two ladies who worked there couldn't figure out which code applied to this situation and therefore which number to call to ask someone for guidance on what to do with it.

So how are a pair of retards like these two going to figure out how to do all the procedures Real ID requires? Don't say they should hire new people either, this is Pennsylvania and I guarantee you they are union members and their contract says can't be fired unless they kill at least 5 people.

 

[Waitone]

I would think DMV is the perfect place to implement a bureaucratic procedure which is cut and dried.

--List out what constitutes acceptable documentation

--DMV check off a sheet of paper saying person has produced acceptable and previously defined documentation.

--Person move to next step.

If person fails provide acceptable documentation--back out the door.

 

[jnojr]

Do you really think it's possible to live in most of the US without a car? Do you really believe that illegals that are already here are not driving? If so, I want them to have insurance.

Lots of citizens don't bother with insurance. It's a strawman to claim that leting illegals have licenses will encourage them to get insurance... insurance is simply an unnecessary expense for them. Get in an accident? No problem... walk away. Use another variation of your name and start over somewhere else.

I would be all for illegals being able to get licenses if it weren't for the pesky little fact that a drivers license is the de facto standard for identification. It's a huge problem that Achmed the terrorist can walk across the border, pretend to be Pedro the gardener, and get ID that allows him on planes, trains, truck rentals, etc.

 

[dpesec]

RealGun

Voters think before they vote. Interesting idea. I don't think that will happen, because voters today are are always looking for something from OPM.

 

[RealGun]

Voters think before they vote. Interesting idea. I don't think that will happen, because voters today are are always looking for something from OPM. - dpesec

So voters have been corrupted. Their votes have been bought. They are all the same.

 

[TheEgg]

Yeah, I do.

Sorry you are wrong on this one.

Texas has numerous places to buy a one month policy. Rate is about $69. Get your insurance card, then register your car, get your safety inspection and you are good to go for a year. Next time around get another $69 card. For 11 month out of the year they have no insurance.

If they get nicked with no insurance, not much happens to them around here. Even if they get the car towed (doesn't happen much) it is probably a $500 beater. Just walk away and get another one. Or if the car is a good one, go down, get your $69 card and get your car out of hock. Happens all the time.

 

[RealGun]

For 11 month out of the year they have no insurance.

Do you know if DMV is notified when an insurance policy expires? Should they be, since the license is conditional, requiring insurance?

 

[JohnBT]

I just sent VA DMV a check to get the new stickers for my license plates. I checked the box on the form that promises that I have insurance - that was easy. Of course signing it is a crime if you don't have insurance, but there are thousands of city residents who don't - and they're just the ones I know.

My driver's license is up for renewal next month and I need to have an eye exam. The notice they sent says "You will need to provide proof of U.S. citizenship or Legal Presence for these transactions:

All ID cards
First-time driver's licenses
Expired licenses
Suspended, revoked or cancelled licenses."

John

 

[TheEgg]

Do you know if DMV is notified when an insurance policy expires? Should they be, since the license is conditional, requiring insurance?

Pretty sure there is no regular reporting of insurance status. Police can ask and the insurance company will confirm, but nothing proactive, I think.