MaterDei
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Green ammo.
My Monarch brand 7.62X39 ammo has a greenish hue to it. Does that count???
My Monarch brand 7.62X39 ammo has a greenish hue to it. Does that count???
15Sept04
From a friend in OH on frangible ammunition:
"Just completed class at OPOTA last week. None of our pistols liked the frangible ammunition that is now required at this facility. All went down with consistent failure to fee and failure to go into battery. I personally cleaned several. Didn't solve the problem. Then I took them all to the outdoor range and changed to real ammunition. Problems instantly disappeared."
Lesson: "Frangible," "green," and "clean" ammunition is crap! It is ineffective for anything but practice, and problems like the forgoing are so common, training is always degraded. Not recommended.
/John
17Sept04
Comments on frangible have been on both sides of the issue. Some think it is fine. However, this one is typical:
"Since my agency made the switch to lead-free/frangible, we have had nothing but trouble. We buy and consume one million rounds a year. We tested all brands. All demonstrated themselves to be unsatisfactory. Issues range from hard primers, to bullets disintegrating in magazines, to abbreviated shelf life, to cycling problems. Our selection was finally based, not on the best performance, but of the least of the poor performances! In any event, it is good for practice only. If is not suitable for any serious application, so we have to be careful not to get it mixed in with the good stuff.
A final note. We've been informed that bismuth is as undesirable as lead. No disposal facility will take it.
Looks as if the tree huggers are really keeping us 'safe,' eh?"
/John
11 Sept 00
>From a friend with a large PD on "frangible," practice ammunition:
"We use lead-free, frangible pistol ammunition exclusively in our indoor and outdoor ranges, but that practice may have to change, as we are having all kinds of problems:
The composition bullet sometimes breaks when the round feeds, usually fracturing level with the crimp. In some instances we find the broken tip of the bullet when the shooter performs the stoppage drill. In some instances it comes out of the barrel when the shooter fires the succeeding round. This has not damaged a gun or injured a shooter so far, but we are concerned about the phenomenon.
We also found that some casings are poorly crimped. Upon feeding, bullet setback is common. Again, we are concerned about blown-up pistols, though this has not occurred yet.
Primer failure is also common. I believe this plagues all no-lead primers.
The failure rate as described above was significant enough to make us cancel the contract. We're now looking of another vendor, but, based on my experience, I don't think frangible, no-lead practice ammunition from any source is ever going to be satisfactory."
/John
Not a bad idea. I wear the purple nitrile gloves a lot around the house when I'm cleaning the bathroom, working with solvents, pastes, epoxy, primer, paint, or I'm into so much oil that my Mechanix gloves do little to no good (I hate changing axle shafts).Does this mean I should wear rubber gloves when cleaning guns?