Grizzly Bear shot and killed with a .45 auto

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Well, I think that if you are going to go places where the are large predators that can eat you - you owe it to yourself and to the local wildlife to learn about their habits and how to avoid unwanted problems with said local wildlife - if you don't then you should go with a local who does know how to deal with them. That can go a long way to not ending up a meal or having to kill the local wildlife unnecessarily.

That said, I don't think we know enough about this specific incident - at least I don't see the information that answers the questions that I have.
 
i remember reading in a hunting mag a funny story about a flatlander coming up for his first bear hunt. He brought his trusty 30.30. he saw the guide eyeballing it so he asked "do you think its enough gun?" the guides reply was "well if you hit him, and he feels it it might make him mad."

the other funny one was in the 70's guy wrote in for advice on what handgun to defend against grizz attack. the reply was "to the best of our knowledge no ones ever successfully used a handgun to defend from a serious attack. but we don't want to discourage you from trying we admire pioneer spirit"
 
The bear lost interest in Brenner's friend after he backed into the water and threw his shotgun at her.

i wanna know what the thought process was that made him throw his shotgun at her, unless he was surrendering which is not totally beyond understanding. you know his buds are gonna rag on him about throwing his shotgun at the bear
 
Well the two jokes I remember best I probably would get in trouble for posting here. The punch lines were: No you file the front sight off so it won't hurt so much when the bear takes it and.............. And the second is the bear saying, "You don't really come here for the hunting do you?"
 
But I will thank you not to play internet mountain man and assume you know anything about me, where I live, or where I've been.
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Sure, when you quit playing Internet Viking-with-a-.45 I'll quit assuming you've never been near an angry grizzly.
 
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"He's just telling me to back off and I bow my head to show him I'm not a threat and keep edging sideways to give him a clear exit - he responds by again ignoring me. I'm not in any danger at all."

Who was the guy that lived with the bears, hanging out with them,studying them, and whatever...what happened to him...?:confused:
 
"He's just telling me to back off and I bow my head to show him I'm not a threat and keep edging sideways to give him a clear exit - he responds by again ignoring me. I'm not in any danger at all."

Who was the guy that lived with the bears, hanging out with them,studying them, and whatever...what happened to him...?
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What?? You mean people who live around bears and think they know everything they'll do still end up getting killed? It's almost as if bears are a wild animal that really can't be predicted no matter how much time you spend around them. Who would have thought.
 
or if we look at treadwell in the real world we see a guy who defied all commonsense got up to touching distance with multiple bears in the worst possible areas and conditions for years before it finally caught up to him
 
The man fired nine rounds from his .45 caliber, semiautomatic pistol at the animal, which then stopped and walked into the brush.
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That is not reassuring to me. The guy is lucky he had time to fire 9 rounds... and it still failed to put the bear down. You can't expect every bear to be so nice. The .45 acp, while great against people, has nowhere near the penetration capabilities needed to make it very effective against grizzlies. I guess that if its all you have, its better than nothing.
 
i remember reading in a hunting mag a funny story about a flatlander coming up for his first bear hunt. He brought his trusty 30.30. he saw the guide eyeballing it so he asked "do you think its enough gun?" the guides reply was "well if you hit him, and he feels it it might make him mad."
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The 30-30 sent (and keep sending) many big bears to bruin heaven.

A 30 WCF is not a 45 ACP....
 
That is not reassuring to me. The guy is lucky he had time to fire 9 rounds... and it still failed to put the bear down. You can't expect every bear to be so nice. The .45 acp, while great against people, has nowhere near the penetration capabilities needed to make it very effective against grizzlies. I guess that if its all you have, its better than nothing.
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One instance tells us nothing about the effectiveness of a .45ACP. If by chance the same story was that he fired one round and the bear dropped dead in it's tracks (which is entirely within the realm of possibilities), you might be saying something totally different right now, but only because you took one instance and formed an opinion based on that.

That said, yes, the .45ACP is not the ideal caliber for grizzly bear defense. I don't know many people who would think that the .45ACP is more than adequate for grizzly. It can and has done the job, it's better than nothing, but there are better options out there.
 
Who was the guy that lived with the bears, hanging out with them,studying them, and whatever...what happened to him...?
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Tim Treadwell. I met him the year before he died and thought he was an idiot. Treadwell is the other extreme. There's a middle ground between shooting every bear that woofs at you, and thinking they're harmless.
 
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According to a study by the U.S. fish and wildlife and a few park rangers ive talked with, bear spray is more effective than a firearm for deterring a bear attack.
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'or hairspray and a bic lighter, if from or in CA.
I'll stick with my 44mag
 
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What?? You mean people who live around bears and think they know everything they'll do still end up getting killed?
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Timothy Treadwell lived in Santa Monica, which doesn't have a lot of grizzlies. He came here for a few weeks each summer when the bears were fat and happy eating salmon. The first time he went out in the fall (the very first time!) after the salmon runs, he got eaten.
 
Kodiak, these things are always an EQUIPMENT fest, guys who have never seen a brown comparing the size of theirs and giving their verdict

the real equipment that keeps you safe is between your ears, and pepper spray
saves you the proctologists visit with ADFG and the wildlife troopers, don't think the ferderalis will be any different.
 
It's almost as if bears are a wild animal that really can't be predicted no matter how much time you spend around them. Who would have thought.
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I would argue that wild animals are perhaps more predictable than humans. They react to their environment. We're the ones who have this whole sentience thing going on that makes us do crazy stuff.

Oh, and seeing as how that comment was regarding Treadwell...I think they acted pretty predictably. They didn't pursue a food source of last resort because they had plenty of salmon. Then, no salmon and there's this animal they don't like to eat much but hey, they were hungry.
 
the real equipment that keeps you safe is between your ears, and pepper spray
saves you the proctologists visit with ADFG and the wildlife troopers, don't think the ferderalis will be any different.
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Yeah, grizzlies are pretty easy to live with if you just pay attention. I always tell people to regard them as dogs. We all can tell a mean dog from a good dog and bears act exactly the same. The one that runs to the edge of his yard and barks at you, isn't the one that bites you.
 
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But it did stop the charge.
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Did it? Bear charges are often simply displays and not actual attacks. So stopping a "charge" is pretty meaningless. Charges have been stopped by rocks, sticks, whistles, shouting, pepper spray, warning shots, etc.
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Well, I'll acknowledge you probably know more about bears than I do. All I know is the fellow said the bear "charged." I'll take his word over yours right now, since he was there and you weren't.

He said the bear "charged." He shot/shot at the bear. The bear went away. That sounds like "stopped" to me.
 
i only deal with blackbears here and then infrequently. and typically is only when i leave a food source out that draws em in. black bears are easy to get to leave
 
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Yeah, see, alot of people think that just because they saw it once on discovery channel that they are now experts (I don't claim to be, I just had to teach the bear awareness class at Ft. Richardson, AK, and I live at the foot of Bear Mountain outside of anchorage... BTW we have alot of dogs in my neighborhood and those tend to help keep the wildlife away)

My point is, and in past, people have posted rather graphic accounts and pics
if you have time to shoot a bear 9 times, it wasn't the scary dangerous one, like rounding the corner in a trail and finding yourself between sow and cub, or straight up being hunted by a bear. Most of these encounters, a gun isn't going to be effective fast enough and loud bangs are as likely to provoke the bear into attacking as scare it away.
 
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