gun club or social club?

[Scooter22]

The one I belonged to is still a gun club luckily. The membership is in the 500 range last I heard It was established in the 1920s. I joined as a teenager in 1975 and been there since. It's about 12 miles from my house. They do have the occasional dinner, gun training, hunter saftey. Members can reserve the club house for an event and the ranges are closed for that but thats pretty rare. The local police agency uses it occasionally for training. But thats a good thing. The village the club is in has become a high dollar suburb. We have housing tracts around us with homes 500K up in the low millions. Very scenic area. They would like us out the the PD using it plus many members are in high positions in the town/ village its in. I'm lucky that my job allows me time to go there week days. Often when I stop up I'm the only one there and have shot for a couple hours alone. Except for the dang deer that think its their range.

 

[Kendahl]

How much money does the club make renting out the range for private parties? If it's substantial, where is it going? If not, the parties are being subsidized by the rest of the membership.

 

[Axis II]

How much money does the club make renting out the range for private parties? If it's substantial, where is it going? If not, the parties are being subsidized by the rest of the membership.

monthly they make a few hundred $ off the parties and 2 day a week range shoots. I find it a little odd that they say officers expense stamps $150, reload the debit cards $500. we only get letters for dues twice a year so where does $150 in stamps go? copy paper $300. they make money hand over fist but wont spend any of it. balance is like $80k that's with savings and normal account. end of year officers get a check for like $200 for their time.

 

[2bfree]

You forgot things like insurance, property tax, maintenance and probably a whole host of other things that you don't know about cause you have never run a range before. Really, you were complaining about this place before you even joined and then shortly after you joined. I really don't know why you even joined unless it was just to have another thing to complain about.

 

[Sam1911]

The short answer to the money questions is to a) get involved and pay attention to the treasurer's reports, b) get involved as a Board member and pay attention to the expenses as discussed at Board meetings, and/or c) request to have an audit done.

Both unreasonable suspicion and unreasonable trust are far too easy when it comes to organizations' money.

In our association any expenditure over $1,000 has to be voted on by the members at a general meeting and any lesser expenses are voted on by the Board and then reported at the next general meeting. Once a year our treasurer gets two volunteers from the general membership to sit down with him and do an open audit of our finances. We've had years with around $300,000 in expenses so being transparent is crucial to keeping the trust of the membership.

 

[Sam1911]

Part of why I bring that up is kind of is a cautionary statement. You have a reasonable and serious complaint I think about the limited use you're able to make of the range facilities.

There very well maybe some questionable things going on with Club finances, but it's probably almost as likely that there really aren't any serious accounting problems. My impression from the way you've described your involvement, is that you really don't have much to go on, there.

You may be able to make some headway in getting better reporting of range closures and even possibly limiting the amount of days that the range is closed to your use. I'd save digging into Club finances as a battle to fight some other day.

There may be some sympathetic ears if you gently and politely make your case for paying your dues but not being allowed to use the facility, and not even being properly notified when you can't.

But the minute that you go off that message and come off as a financial whistleblower looking to dig up some dirt, I imagine you're going to lose any sympathetic ears you might have had. Whether those guys have anything to hide or not, that's a pretty hostile act.

 

[Axis II]

You forgot things like insurance, property tax, maintenance and probably a whole host of other things that you don't know about cause you have never run a range before. Really, you were complaining about this place before you even joined and then shortly after you joined. I really don't know why you even joined unless it was just to have another thing to complain about.

cause I needed something to complain about! if we don't like comments or threads then move on. pretty easy. .

before I joined it was oh, your #3 out of 12 openings send everything in and then I kept being pushed higher until I was #15 because of the good ole boys thing. they then cashed my $100 check and said they cashed it cause I was in 2 months went by and I asked for my money back and was told no until I got the president involved and he drove to the membership guys house and made the member guys wife who's the treasure sign a check and brought it to my house and apologized. you see it as complaining and I see it as venting and asking for advice.

I was pretty happy the first year for the most part but lately things are getting like they are so looking for advice from people who have done this before and doing a little complaining. ive always wanted to do gun matches, reload, etc and joining this place helped me get into matches, invites to camp perry, etc. so there is benefits. Its close, cheap, some decent people, nice facilities, but there are some the rules don't apply to because people are either scared of them or that's the way its been for 30yrs. when you tell me, a member who had to be background checked, meetings, voted in, work hours that I cant use a facility but people who don't pay squat or put in work are allowed to use them whenever they want I have a problem with that and complain!

 

[PapaG]

Our club has two ways to get to the top of the entry list: be the son of a member in good standing(automatic eligibility), or be a former member who left in good standing (for a reason). Club rentals or reservations are for the clubhouse and you have no rights to t h e ranges. Shooting takes priority.
That said, we ask people to work together to make these things work. Very few conflicts in my forty years there.
S, chairman of the board.
If I were you, I'd either hire a good attourney(oxymoron???), or get the shell out. You don't need that crap in your life.

 

[Axis II]

Part of why I bring that up is kind of is a cautionary statement. You have a reasonable and serious complaint I think about the limited use you're able to make of the range facilities.

There very well maybe some questionable things going on with Club finances, but it's probably almost as likely that there really aren't any serious accounting problems. My impression from the way you've described your involvement, is that you really don't have much to go on, there.

You may be able to make some headway in getting better reporting of range closures and even possibly limiting the amount of days that the range is closed to your use. I'd save digging into Club finances as a battle to fight some other day.

There may be some sympathetic ears if you gently and politely make your case for paying your dues but not being allowed to use the facility, and not even being properly notified when you can't.

But the minute that you go off that message and come off as a financial whistleblower looking to dig up some dirt, I imagine you're going to lose any sympathetic ears you might have had. Whether those guys have anything to hide or not, that's a pretty hostile act.

I could care less about the money as the way I look at it is I paid my dues and that's all that matters cause its not my money. I was just saying it seemed odd the way its done it seem everything is money, money, money. we were told in orientation and bylaws that we cannot use the club to make money and that they hire an outside ccw guy because of this. he charges $120 and the club gets like $20hr for the house and range use. well the one day the ccw trainer was sick and couldn't make them a club member stepped in and admitted to me and another guy that he got to keep the money and only paid the $75 to rent the facility. 12people x$120-person. He's a trustee so it was okay for him to do it. the next meeting he asked to talk and told us how hes been there 32yrs and has all these certs and if we hired him as the ccw guy in addition to the original guy it would help us financially and he would do our RSO training for free. I inquired about the RSO position and was told $75 half goes to the club and half to him. this violates the bylaws but everyone is so scared cause hes a trustee to say anything. we asked for a walkway to the target holders and it was shot down but 3 months later he asks and its voted in.

that's the only financial thing I don't agree with is members making $ off the facility. I'm more worried about the range being closed Saturday for parties and sunday for club shoots.

 

[Sunray]

Sounds like a social club business with a range attached. Like a Legion Post that rents their hall out for functions. The money coming from those rentals trumps what the members want. No pun intended.
Mind you, depending on where you are, voting with your feet is best. Joining a shooting club usually has more benefits than not though. However, the rectal orifi are everywhere. Lots of big clubs will have members who just want to be in charge and don't actually shoot.

 

[Kendahl]

Our club has two ways to get to the top of the entry list: be the son of a member in good standing(automatic eligibility), or be a former member who left in good standing (for a reason).

Membership in my club applies to the entire family. That is, it includes the spouse and children of the dues paying member.

No special preference is given to former members who want to rejoin. If a former member wasn't in good standing when he left, I'm sure his application would be rejected.

 

[scaatylobo]

I know some might think I have too many issues but stupid stuff just irritates me and this kind of helps relieve the stress. I have been a member of a club for 2yrs now with a range and clubhouse. I had issues when I first started being pushed higher on the list so family of club members could get in before me. I started at #3 out of 12 spots and ended up being 15 at the end of it and found out about 10ppl were related to a club officer or life member. It kind of put a bad taste in my mouth but I joined cause its close and cheap.

I started noticing that the range was being closed a lot due to functions which was fine cause it helps the club. Then the range started closing for parties, graduation parties, bachelor parties, ccw classes, rifle shoots, etc. tue, wed, sat, sun there was always something going on either club functions or someone reserving the club for a family party. I figured it out and planned accordingly so no issues until the last 4 months every single Saturday has been closed for someone's family reunion, grad party, etc. There has been a few times I was told in the monthly meeting range closed so I went there to shoot my bow or fish and was told the grounds were reserved to the person who reserved it, including the range. They are supposed to submit it for vote among the membership to reserve anything but they don't because it brings money to the club for the reservation. A few times I have drove there to leave because of a party. Well last weekend I showed up and there was a lot of people in the club house and I announced I was shooting incase anyone was walking around. Tonight there was a lot of cars and I figured same group so I'm shooting. I even checked the online calendar and nothing scheduled. After 6 shots I hear a whistle and some guy comes down the range and says I'm not allowed to shoot! I said why is that? "we are having a dinner tonight" I said well I checked the calendar and also check Mondays email and nothing was scheduled. "well we are having our annual dinner so range closed why we eat and open at 7pm". I question what the dinner was because we only do two a year and they are done and was told "its an annual dinner and range closed, thanks".

I didn't hunt tonight cause I wanted to test reloads for 2 deer rifles before gun week 3 weeks away. A large part of me says I need to write a letter or email to the club voicing my concerns because I pay dues and do 2x my required 12hrs of work a year and 90% of the time I'm off I cant use the facilities cause someone thinks its their personal property for parties and such.

Is this the norm? I'm thinking about jumping ship and paying a little more and further drive to get away from this. Would I be out of line sending a letter stating "To whome this may concern. I thought I joined a gun/hunt club and not a social club/party center. There has been numerous times I have came to use the facility I pay dues for to be turned away for someone's private family. parties. As a paying member I feel I should be allowed to use the facility from open to close unless there is a club function".

I would say something at the meetings but all the 20-30-40yr members want to lynch you and then when it comes to work hours you get hosed or they attempt to get you voted out of the club. I broke a no shooting before noon rule years ago that isn't posted or in the rule book and when I explained myself they agreed they were in the wrong but the old timers wanted to ban me for breaking the unwritten rule so I'm a little hesitant about speaking up in person.

Too far?

I am an old timer,and I have a HUGE problem with one of the clubs I belong to.

I joined to shoot at the range & the bow ranges.

The club will not spend ANY money on keeping up these total messes.

If its not donated,then it is not done.

I fully expect the shooting range to become useless in a very short time [ baffles ARE going to fall onto range.]

The bow range has no shootable targets left,bring your own or lose your arrows.

The clubhouse looks EXACTLY as it did in 1968 !!.

I do enjoy the social stuff,and the food is great = BUT it was / IS supposed to be a Sportsmans Club !!!.

I do belong to another club where they actually do shoot and its kept up,funny how they get the money for the upkeep ----- but we cannot seem to ??.

Been to a few meetings and all I get is " we looked at that,we tried that,it will get done".

I always get the feeling that I am urinating into the wind ,when I go

 

[Sam1911]

If its not donated,then it is not done....

been to a few meetings and all I get is " we looked at that,we tried that,it will get done".

I always get the feeling that I am urinating into the wind ,when I go

As a gun club Board "insider" (lol...) let me say that there can be lots of reasons why stuff doesn't get done, but NO club (that I'm aware of) gets much done without a lot of donated time and effort. Hiring people to come do even general upkeep type work can be way more expensive than you'd think and depending on what the club's financial balance looks like, there probably isn't cash to do so.

Rather than only coming to the meetings and "complaining" (which is your right to do, of course) how about suggesting a plan for organizing effort? We have quarterly work days where 20-30 members come out and bring their tools (anything from hammers and chainsaws to skid loaders and tractors) and we work through that month's list of "fix-it" projects. If you're unhappy with how the range is looking, you aren't the only one -- and if you're willing to put your back into it to fix things, others will be as well.

Make a motion at the next club meeting to form a committee to organize work days. The committee head (volunteer...maybe you?) should plan specific lists of jobs needing done, and work up a list of needed materials which the club can purchase and have delivered the week before your work day. Then act as project manager on the work day to divide the volunteers into teams to tackle the various jobs.

If you can drum up a little support for your idea, pick somebody to grab a few boxes of coffee for the guys that morning, and have someone else grab a few dozen doughnuts. You'd be amazed at what a group like that can get done in about 4 hours.

Now, an approach like that can't usually tackle repairing berms, pouring concrete, or complicated carpentry type work, but we've had volunteer teams that have:

Made dozens of new target stands
Filled potholes
Rebuilt range tables and shooting benches
Spread gravel
Put up new range rules signs
Painted doors, walls, and benches in the clubhouse
Replaced the range staircase treads
Cut and moved fallen trees
Torn down old structures and cleaned up debris
Leveled up pads for and placed storage buildings
Rebuilt archery target holders
Rebuilt covers for ventilation equipment for the indoor range
Dug out and moved rocks from range berms
And lots of other stuff

But it takes somebody to stand up and say "I WILL ..." instead of "why don't you guys ever...?"



We spent several hundred thousand dollars in one year, recently, to have long-needed improvements done to our ranges. And yet we STILL rely on individual club members to volunteer to make it a better place to shoot.

It sounds like a cliche, but it's really true: Any time you find yourself saying, "Why don't they...?" Turn it around and instead say, "If we work together, I bet we could...!"

The old truism is that 10% of the organization does 99% of the work. In reality, it's more like 2-3% who gets it done.

 

[PapaG]

Membership in my club applies to the entire family. That is, it includes the spouse and children of the dues paying member.

No special preference is given to former members who want to rejoin. If a former member wasn't in good standing when he left, I'm sure his application would be rejected.

Members who left due to deployment, job moves, or medical reasons are the ones that get preferential treatment. Those that just quit or left owing dues or work hours go to slightly below last.
Stan, chairman of the board

 

[Axis II]

Membership in my club applies to the entire family. That is, it includes the spouse and children of the dues paying member.

No special preference is given to former members who want to rejoin. If a former member wasn't in good standing when he left, I'm sure his application would be rejected.

we are allowed as many family at the club as we please but only 2 friends. they do pull the former member to the top card and that I don't care for. that's how I was moved from #3 in the beginning to over #15. they actually let a guy in a few months ago who stiffed them on dues and work hours but he paid the back dues and work hours and they let him back in.

 

[Axis II]

I am an old timer,and I have a HUGE problem with one of the clubs I belong to.

I joined to shoot at the range & the bow ranges.

The club will not spend ANY money on keeping up these total messes.

If its not donated,then it is not done.

I fully expect the shooting range to become useless in a very short time [ baffles ARE going to fall onto range.]

The bow range has no shootable targets left,bring your own or lose your arrows.

The clubhouse looks EXACTLY as it did in 1968 !!.

I do enjoy the social stuff,and the food is great = BUT it was / IS supposed to be a Sportsmans Club !!!.

I do belong to another club where they actually do shoot and its kept up,funny how they get the money for the upkeep ----- but we cannot seem to ??.

Been to a few meetings and all I get is " we looked at that,we tried that,it will get done".

I always get the feeling that I am urinating into the wind ,when I go

same at our place. riding mowers from the early 2000's push mowers as backups that look like they drug them out of the trash, 3d deer targets that have holes the size of grape fruits in them. they purchased a "broadhead target" one of the $40 jobs that are only 12'' thick and arrows go threw them but don't make a suggestion on buying a Rinehart for $100 that will last several years.

 

[Axis II]

As a gun club Board "insider" (lol...) let me say that there can be lots of reasons why stuff doesn't get done, but NO club (that I'm aware of) gets much done without a lot of donated time and effort. Hiring people to come do even general upkeep type work can be way more expensive than you'd think and depending on what the club's financial balance looks like, there probably isn't cash to do so.

Rather than only coming to the meetings and "complaining" (which is your right to do, of course) how about suggesting a plan for organizing effort? We have quarterly work days where 20-30 members come out and bring their tools (anything from hammers and chainsaws to skid loaders and tractors) and we work through that month's list of "fix-it" projects. If you're unhappy with how the range is looking, you aren't the only one -- and if you're willing to put your back into it to fix things, others will be as well.

Make a motion at the next club meeting to form a committee to organize work days. The committee head (volunteer...maybe you?) should plan specific lists of jobs needing done, and work up a list of needed materials which the club can purchase and have delivered the week before your work day. Then act as project manager on the work day to divide the volunteers into teams to tackle the various jobs.

If you can drum up a little support for your idea, pick somebody to grab a few boxes of coffee for the guys that morning, and have someone else grab a few dozen doughnuts. You'd be amazed at what a group like that can get done in about 4 hours.

Now, an approach like that can't usually tackle repairing berms, pouring concrete, or complicated carpentry type work, but we've had volunteer teams that have:

Made dozens of new target stands
Filled potholes
Rebuilt range tables and shooting benches
Spread gravel
Put up new range rules signs
Painted doors, walls, and benches in the clubhouse
Replaced the range staircase treads
Cut and moved fallen trees
Torn down old structures and cleaned up debris
Leveled up pads for and placed storage buildings
Rebuilt archery target holders
Rebuilt covers for ventilation equipment for the indoor range
Dug out and moved rocks from range berms
And lots of other stuff

But it takes somebody to stand up and say "I WILL ..." instead of "why don't you guys ever...?"



We spent several hundred thousand dollars in one year, recently, to have long-needed improvements done to our ranges. And yet we STILL rely on individual club members to volunteer to make it a better place to shoot.

It sounds like a cliche, but it's really true: Any time you find yourself saying, "Why don't they...?" Turn it around and instead say, "If we work together, I bet we could...!"

The old truism is that 10% of the organization does 99% of the work. In reality, it's more like 2-3% who gets it done.

100% agree. we do that and out of 150 members its the same 10-15ppl that show and it gets old. I have been there working a few times and had guys ask when you think your going to be done? well... why don't you come help and it will get done faster. Oh, I'm not dressed for that or I don't do work hours I just pay.

 

[bannockburn]

ohihunter2014

we do that and out of 150 members its the same 10-15ppl that show and it gets old. I have been there working a few times and had guys ask when you think your going to be done? well... why don't you come help and it will get done faster. Oh, I'm not dressed for that or I don't do work hours I just pay.

Yeah, it's definitely a country club atmosphere there with the "members" and the "volunteer help". That kind of work arrangement would get old really fast with me too!

 

[Sam1911]

To be completely fair, there is often a provision in club memberships to make a donation or pay a certain amount in addition to dues "in lieu of work." That allows members who are too elderly, infirm, live too far away, or otherwise just don't do manual labor to have a legitimate way of doing their part without having to hammer, paint, shovel, or perform other chores on work days.

We, also, have had members show up and start shooting while 30 of their fellow members are on work day detail. Our club President has usually made it (politely) very clear to them that they are welcomed to shoot once the work day chores are done.

 

[buck460XVR]

To be completely fair, there is often a provision in club memberships to make a donation or pay a certain amount in addition to dues "in lieu of work." That allows members who are too elderly, infirm, live too far away, or otherwise just don't do manual labor to have a legitimate way of doing their part without having to hammer, paint, shovel, or perform other chores on work days.

That's how the one small "club" I still belong to does it. Makes so those without much money can work and those with don't have to. Much of what we work on couldn't be done without that money. And yes, only 20-30% decide to donate time instead of money, but then some of those that donate would just be in the way. It a system that works well for us. Also what happens is some of those that donate time do not work well with others or have a hard time giving direction to those that don't know what to do. Thus, same ol' folks come and do the same o' thing. Having been in construction all my life, I generally tackle the carpentry jobs.

Many of the folks that are members shoot trap. They also shoot trap at several of the other ranges in the area on different nights. They have their own little clic. While I have shot trap over the years, I prefer Sporting Clays which shoot at another range. Most of what I use this range for is when I want to shoot my handguns or rifles without driving the half hour to my son's land where we have our own range set up. This range is only about ten minutes away and cost me $20 a year for membership. The range is a pretty basic 100 yarder, but with my portable bench it works well and I can shoot there any time there is not something else going on. They shoot trap every Thursday night and have a shoot one Saturday a month. They also sponsor Hunter Safety classes which use the range several times a year. High School League shoots out there on Wednesday nights during the Spring. I find that during the day, during the week, on most other nights and weekends, I have the place to myself other than the month before gun deer season. We have new members come and go. Many have big ideas that the club cannot afford, nor does the majority of members want to pursue. Those folks tend to get frustrated, make a lot of noise and then disappear, never to be seen again. Others come and accept what they get for what they pay, make suggestions and live with the feedback they get. Sometimes we just do things a certain way, because we always done 'em that way. Sometimes we do things with old equipment because the old fart that usually uses it likes it. Sometimes we deal with old stuff, because the club is cheap. I have no problem with how the OPs club is trying to make monies, as long as paying members don't get stepped on to deepen the pockets of other members, or because some members who pay no more think they deserve special privileges. Sometimes those older members that have been there all their lives working and donating think they have a little more say than the new guy. I tend to agree.

 

[OneFreeTexan]

Dang, the guy that owns, runs, and maintains the range I shoot at is having an affair with my wife!!

Oh, wait,,, that would be me!!..

I am glad I don’t have to go to a range, however, I certainly understand the problems that go with any ‘club’ or volunteer organization,, I have been and still am on some of the boards, and being a board member is no easy task.

 

[Sauer Grapes]

Sounds like a good deal. You pay to not shoot. You work for no compensation. And you catch grief for opening ur mouth about anything.
Where do I sign up!!!

 

[scaatylobo]

As a gun club Board "insider" (lol...) let me say that there can be lots of reasons why stuff doesn't get done, but NO club (that I'm aware of) gets much done without a lot of donated time and effort. Hiring people to come do even general upkeep type work can be way more expensive than you'd think and depending on what the club's financial balance looks like, there probably isn't cash to do so.

Rather than only coming to the meetings and "complaining" (which is your right to do, of course) how about suggesting a plan for organizing effort? We have quarterly work days where 20-30 members come out and bring their tools (anything from hammers and chainsaws to skid loaders and tractors) and we work through that month's list of "fix-it" projects. If you're unhappy with how the range is looking, you aren't the only one -- and if you're willing to put your back into it to fix things, others will be as well.

Make a motion at the next club meeting to form a committee to organize work days. The committee head (volunteer...maybe you?) should plan specific lists of jobs needing done, and work up a list of needed materials which the club can purchase and have delivered the week before your work day. Then act as project manager on the work day to divide the volunteers into teams to tackle the various jobs.

If you can drum up a little support for your idea, pick somebody to grab a few boxes of coffee for the guys that morning, and have someone else grab a few dozen doughnuts. You'd be amazed at what a group like that can get done in about 4 hours.

Now, an approach like that can't usually tackle repairing berms, pouring concrete, or complicated carpentry type work, but we've had volunteer teams that have:

Made dozens of new target stands
Filled potholes
Rebuilt range tables and shooting benches
Spread gravel
Put up new range rules signs
Painted doors, walls, and benches in the clubhouse
Replaced the range staircase treads
Cut and moved fallen trees
Torn down old structures and cleaned up debris
Leveled up pads for and placed storage buildings
Rebuilt archery target holders
Rebuilt covers for ventilation equipment for the indoor range
Dug out and moved rocks from range berms
And lots of other stuff

But it takes somebody to stand up and say "I WILL ..." instead of "why don't you guys ever...?"



We spent several hundred thousand dollars in one year, recently, to have long-needed improvements done to our ranges. And yet we STILL rely on individual club members to volunteer to make it a better place to shoot.

It sounds like a cliche, but it's really true: Any time you find yourself saying, "Why don't they...?" Turn it around and instead say, "If we work together, I bet we could...!"

The old truism is that 10% of the organization does 99% of the work. In reality, it's more like 2-3% who gets it done.

Sorry that I did not go into great detail

But since I had been a firearms instructor,I made myself available and asked VERY loudly that we [ myself and any who were interested ] would be happy to patrol the range,act as R.O's and generally make suren that range rules were followed.
They were not,they are not,and all that I got was [ mentioned it already ] "we tried that,we are on that,we already know that ".
So,pardon me if I am a 'bit' pissed off when the baffles that we NEEDED and were suggested by me,were NOT BUILT CORRECTLY and are now about to fall on the range and make the range useless = again.
The clowns that are using the range SHOOT UP THE BAFFLE SUPPORTS,and yet NOTHING IS DONE to address that ?.
We had at one point,OVER 100K in our account.
We are not a bank,and therefore I see a need to SPEND OUR MONEY on what we want to use .
Rant over,but the problems are not being addressed and the directors & 'president' are not about to listen to 'one angry man'.

 

[orpington]

Wow! Lots of ranting and raving here about the politics of gun clubs.

There is a very simple solution here, although perhaps an elitist one. Buy your own parcel of land for shooting. Could also hunt on it if desired.

LAND=CONTROL. You have the POWER in your hands. Might even reap financial benefits. I know someone who purchased a farm with acreage 25 years ago for $125,000. Sure, it needed work. He has leased one acre of his land for a cell phone tower and his current lease is $750,000 payable over 10 years.

If you can swing it, Buy land.

 

[Officers'Wife]

OK, In my mind a club membership should be considered and maintained as an investment. You are either getting a fair return for your money or you are not. If the latter you have one of two choices, take the loss and walk away or take the steps to become management and work to make the investment profitable. As one of my TOB's always said- talking a problem to death just means you still have the problem.