Gun-control spokesman's response to my email.

[cwmcgu2]

If any of you recall the thread about a gun-control advocate wishing for another Columbine: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=245901

Well I decided to email the individual who made the comments, Bryan Jones, director of the Center for American Politics and Public Policy
at the University of Washington. Here is what I sent him:

Mr. Jones,
Below I have copy & pasted an article from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer
regarding gun control. In the story you commented:

""I hate to say it but it's going to take the kind of massacre that kills
lots of children. That's the only way we are going to see progress," Jones
said.

"I think it's got to be worse than (Columbine). I mean, you didn't see
anything in Colorado" in substantive new gun control laws after 15 people
were killed at Columbine High School in 1999.""

--I find your blood lust to be disgusting. It is horrible that you would
even admit that such a tragedy is needed for the advancement of your cause.

The death toll at Virginia Tech is rising. Are you happy now? Is this what
you wanted? Will you be able to pass the laws you need?

I sincerely hope not. Gun control may be effective within small margins. But
in the larger scope it denies the ability of the individual to protect
himself. I fear people like you Mr. Jones. You will trade my ability to
protect myself and my family in exchange for "feel good" legislation.

The issue at hand with the recent Virginia Tech shooting is not the
shooter's guns. But instead the gun-control laws that disenfranchised the
students of their right to protect themselves. Had one individual been in
possession of a concealed weapons permit, many lives would have been saved.

May your dreams be haunted by the lives of the 32 students at Virginia Tech
who's deaths you wished for. I hope you follow the news closely over the
next few days to learn as much as possible about the lives of each and every
student who died for your cause. After all, today should be like Christmas
for you, Santa left 32 coffins under your tree.

Mr. Jones was very prompt in replying to me and replied:

Give me a break. It is you gun nuts that cause this, not my comments. Let
crazies like this get HANDguns with no limits and background checks, and you
get this.

I'm sure the NRA is sending that around encouraging you kooks to harass me.

He is wrong about the NRA encouraging "us kooks" to harass him... I was the one who posted his email address in the original thread last night

Looking back I was a bit dramatic and some of my comments dipped down from "the high road", but lots of caffiene and end of the semester exams will do that to you

 

[ABTOMAT]

Funny, I thought the VT shooter passed two background checks when he bought his guns.

 

[tanksoldier]

You should mail him back and point out that the shooter did indeed pass TWO background checks.

The point is that background checks or no, criminals will get guns... or knives or bombs or whatever. After all, they are criminals.

 

[Rich K]

Criminals are criminals why? they Don't obey the laws to start with. What difference is one more going to make to a thug. What part of this does this clown not understand.

 

[boredelmo]

Ask him why its the gun nuts faults again.

 

[JWarren]

Forward this e-mail and the reply to Fox News, the 2A Foundation, the NRA, JPFO, GOA, and anyone else you can think of.

I'd love to see a news program get him on the air-- or make the comments that he refused to come on.

People who make statements like that MUST be requested to defend them (if they can) when they GET WHAT THEY WANT.


John


Edit:

Here's some help:

GOA:

[email protected]

NRA:

https://www.nrahq.org/contact.asp

JPFO:

[email protected]


Fox News:

[email protected];

[email protected]

 

[bogie]

GREAT!

We've got Opportunity, we've got a Strategy, and now we've got to EXECUTE!

Get over to THR's activism new forum, and start firing notes about the fellow at your local media outlets, along with national outlets like Fox, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

If any of y'all are a little fuzzy on just how to phrase things, just ask. I've gotta hit the rack in a few (gotta be at the hospital at 7 - sigh...), but hey...

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

The rather crude response. Not a good showing for an organization that wishes to appear enlightened and credible. More like the stereotypical knuckle dragger crawling out of a hole in some backwater place.

 

[JWarren]

The rather crude response.

Sounds like the response of someone who has had quite a few e-mails recently regarding this-- a man unraveling.


Please, however, don't dredge up any stereotypical Redneck comments. This is a devisive element in a time when we do not want to be divided. I know MANY "rednecks" who I would much prefer at my back in terms of common sense, integrity, morality, capibility, and honesty-- and ALL of the ones I know are stanch supporters of the 2nd Amendment. I wish I could say that for others in this country. Don't perpetuate stereotypes and prejudices that only embolden our enemies.



John

 

[bogie]

John, don't derail.

Focus.

My name's Chuck by the way, but my friends call me Bogie.

NOW...

We need to get this out there... At least his initial blathering.

Now, I'm fighting walking pneumonia, and Jen's getting scoped again in the morning. Can I go to bed?

 

[JWarren]

John, don't derail.

Respectfully Chuck, it is no more of a derail than our discussions dealing with jihad earlier-- or the Fudd discussions earlier than that. I am not losing focus-- only reminding ALL of us that we have to keep such in check. I HAVE contributed to this thread other than that editorial comment.

Moving along.



John

 

[CNYCacher]

Dissection

Give me a break. It is you gun nuts that cause this, not my comments. Let
crazies like this get HANDguns with no limits and background checks, and you
get this.

I'm sure the NRA is sending that around encouraging you kooks to harass me.

Dissection:

It is you gun nuts that cause this, not my comments.

Who accused him of causing it? OP was merely asking if he was happy now.
Feeling a little guilty perhaps?

Let crazies like this get HANDguns with no limits and background checks, and you
get this.

Why is he capitalizing the "hand" in "handguns"? Is he extra-double-scared of handguns? Notice he doesn't qualify his emphasis on "hand". Is it supposed to be obvious to everyone why handguns are bad?

No limits and no background checks? Out of touch with reality much?


oh and. . . bump.

 

[svtruth]

From what I've read

the break down was not institutionalizing him sooner. And not prosecuting him on the two stalking incidents.

 

[Kingcreek]

The shooter passsed the background checks AND he purchased the 2 guns more than 1 month apart, thereby satisfying the one-gun-a-month law (sometimes refered to as a "common sense" gun law). AND there were alot of red flags regarding mental health issues.

 

[MikePGS]

Does anyone have a link to the original article? i'm not having good results on google. I can't wait to post this link in every single forum i come across.

 

[MikePGS]

sorry nevermind i found it http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/298561_guns05.html

 

[solive]

Sending out this letter now to news outlets.

I think this man is sick for hoping for another massacre so he could get some more gun laws passed.
He should be interviewed and asked if he still stands behind those comments.

Below I have copy & pasted an article from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer
regarding gun control. In the story Bryan Jones, director of the Center for American Politics and Public Policy
at the University of Washington commented:

""I hate to say it but it's going to take the kind of massacre that kills
lots of children. That's the only way we are going to see progress," Jones
said.

"I think it's got to be worse than (Columbine). I mean, you didn't see
anything in Colorado" in substantive new gun control laws after 15 people
were killed at Columbine High School in 1999.""

Link to full story- http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/298561_guns05.html

 

[cwmcgu2]

I've decided to keep my dialogue with Mr. Jones going to see if he continues to respond with such in such a unprofessional way, here is my response to his response:

Mr. Jones,
I commend you on replying to my email rather than ignoring my comments. However, I resent the fact that you felt it necessary to label me as a "gun nut." This label has been perpetuated by you and many other gun-control advocates. By labeling advocates of 2nd Amendment rights as "gun nuts" you imply to the general public that we are deviant or deficient in our mental faculties. This has been a very low tactic by your group, an attempt to sway public opinion through the use of subliminal messages to imply invalid stereotypes. I would prefer that you used the reference "2nd Amendment advocates."

My second point regarding your response regards this statement, "crazies like this get HANDguns with no limits and background checks." If you have been watching the news you will note that the shooter at Virginia Tech passed background checks for the purchase of each handgun. He also had to wait a month between the two purchases. Both of these systems are the work of you and your colleagues, both failed. The problem here is not how the shooter got his guns, but instead the fact that the systems in place failed to identify the shooter as dangerous.

The premeditation that went into this attack illustrates that the shooter would have reverted to other means if guns had not been available. Whether an easily made bomb such as was used in the Oklahoma City bombing, arson following the chaining of the doors, or vehicular homicide on a crowded sidewalk of students walking to class; the shooter had many avenues to kill the number of people that he did. Gun-control is not the solution here, it is awareness of those around us. The VT shooter, and the shooters at Columbine exhibited multiple warning signs that were ignored by those around them.

Once again I want to thank you for responding to my email. I will point out that I am not a member of the NRA, and they did not circulate the story encouraging me to "harass" you. I searched for your contact information on my own, and had read the story containing your remarks long before Monday's tragic events.

I'll make sure to post any further responses from Mr. Jones that result from our dialogue.

 

[RIDE]

I sent Mr. Jones an email as well...

I am also considering emailing his boss.. The President of Washington Univ.

Mark A. Emmert
[email protected]

 

[Sage of Seattle]

I'm sure the NRA is sending that around encouraging you kooks to harass me.

Paranoia, anyone?

And OT just for a moment, wasn't this same sort of comment made by anti's regarding The Zumbo Protocol™? Wasn't the EEEEVVIILLL NRA secretly fomenting people to boycott F&S and their advertisers?

Just wondering...

 

[FieroCDSP]

Wasn't the EEEEVVIILLL NRA secretly fomenting people to boycott F&S and their advertisers?

I think they know the NRA isn't directly behind this. The NRA may back us up on this one and that helps, but we're getting things done, and being heard, without the financial or vocal power of the NRA. That is what is scaring the anti's. They have no solid target to hit because all of this is coming from you, me, and millions more out there. They can't very well come out and say that the millions of tax-paying voters that want to defend themselves are wrong. That would show themselves for what they are. This is the American public in action, and when the public starts demanding that their rights come first, the power-mongers lose the control they have. Thus gun-control. Once the guns are gone, there's no way the people can take the government. Freedom from oppression, foreign and domestic is one of the things the 2A is supposed to defend.

 

[Elza]

My communication with this clown

My e-mail to him:
I was both shocked and sickened when I read your comments in the Seattle P-I which I now quote:

"I hate to say it but it's going to take the kind of massacre that kills lots of children. That's the only way we are going to see progress," Jones said.
"I think it's got to be worse than (Columbine). I mean, you didn't see anything in Colorado" in substantive new gun control laws after 15 people were killed at Columbine High School in 1999.

You are calling for more death and carnage just to advance your personal political agenda. Despicable does not begin to describe such a statement.
The slaughter at Virginia Tech must have you dancing in the street as well as the blood of the victims.

I further quote:

"California regulated the hell out of guns -- and they don't get in trouble."
Nor have they made the slightest reduction in their crime rates. Along with New York and Washington, D.C. they have the most draconian gun laws in the country and the highest crime rates. Laws do not prevent crime of any type. They only allow the judiciary to punish the transgressors.
Have you possibly failed to notice the locations in which these crimes take place? Schools, places of employment, and shopping malls all where firearms are prohibited. As honest, law abiding citizens we observe these laws while the criminals do not. The criminals do, in point of fact, choose these places specifically as they know that there will be no armed opposition. You say “let the police handle such situations”. Do you know the number of Virginia Tech students that were killed after the police had arrived? Do you even care? I doubt it. After all, why allow such trivialities to interfere with an agenda.

You are certainly entitled to your views on gun ownership as am I. While I may not agree I will respect your right to have and express such views. But to try to justify them as “crime control” is ludicrous. All the claims of “crime control”, keeping them out of the hands of criminals”, and “it’s for the children” do not camouflage the fact that they are simply your personal beliefs. If you were honest enough to admit this I would at least respect you and your right to have such beliefs. They way it is you are simply trying to hide your agenda by evoking knee-jerk, “feel good” emotions of the general public.

Fred Schroeder
[email protected]


Behold the superfluous. They are always sick. They vomit their gall and
call it a newspaper.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche 1844-1900

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
-Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of
the founders of the ACLU.

His response:
You know that was a PREDICTION, not a wish. But I find this typical of those who pursue the 'let them shoot who they want' agenda.

My response to his response:
And I find your terse, arrogant comment typical of those that can’t argue their belief with facts. “Insult and run” are characteristic of those that share your beliefs.

I will, however, give you points for actually answering. Perhaps next time you will actually have something to say.

Fred Schroeder
[email protected]


Behold the superfluous. They are always sick. They vomit their gall and
call it a newspaper.
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche 1844-1900

The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.
-Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one of
the founders of the ACLU.

This could get interesting.

 

[USAFNoDAk]

You know, you guys may very well be damaging Mr. Jone's self esteem. If he actually has to think about debating people instead of spewing emotion, it may have a very negative effect on him. He might just get so upset that he'll resort to violence and squeeze an orange or something. Maybe we better take it easy on him. Some of these guys are just an opinion or two from really losing it. That's why they don't think ANYONE should have guns, other than government agents (including the police of course). This is known as "projection". They'd never trust themselves with a firearm, and since they are, in their own minds, better than most other people, there's no way they can then trust anyone else to remain law abiding in the presence of a firearm.

These people are getting way too predictable for their own good, and it's costing them big time in the political battle known as "gun control".

Of course, maybe you could convince him that he's at fault, like Cpt. Kirk did to the computer, Nomad, in that one Star Trek episode. Nomad blew itself up because it came to its own conclusion that it was imperfect, with Kirks suggestive logic helping Nomad come to that conclusion.

 

[cpileri]

It is you gun nuts that cause this

If he's going to accuse you of a crime, let him know he'd better hire a lawyer.

See what he says?

C-

 

[deltacharlie]

Kooks Unite!!!

Give me a break. It is you gun nuts that cause this, not my comments.

No culpability for him, ever. He's right, we're wrong, typical.
It's never words that are at fault...unless they're spoken on talk radio in which case the left says "Talk radio caused OKC bombing", Obama & Klanton are trying to infer talkradio's responsibility for VT and on and on.
In other words, his words are beyond reproach, those who disagree are just marginalized nuts.

Let crazies like this get HANDguns with no limits and background checks, and you get this.

note the complete lack of facts.
he doesn't even understand the parameters or the mechanics of the debate. yet the media will probably have a microphone on him by week's end, with those serious softball questions.

I'm sure the NRA is sending that around encouraging you kooks to harass me.

Yes....but only those of us with knowledge of the secret handshake, duma55!

50th post, wooohoo!