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Journeyman tool maker,Journeyman Die maker/tryout,Graduate Auto/Truck mechanic (was certified for 5 yrs). Married 23+ yrs,2 daughters 1 grandchild.
Gun Culture Demographics - Who Are We?
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Winter Borne
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Very well said Plink
scurtis_34471
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The only thing a degree proves is that a person has average intelligence and enough persistence to finish the program. It is not any kind of indication that a person has common sense or the ability to apply what they learned.
Degrees are also highly over-rated vs trades. A skilled plumber, electrician or finish carpenter can make as much or more than most people with a degree. Skills learned by working and training are no less valid than skills learned in traditional education. At the end of the day, education is a means to an end. The end is making a good living. There's more than one way to reach that end. I certainly don't feel like my Master's Degree makes me a smarter or better person than the skilled tradesmen that renovated my house and I bet they don't have the $108k in student loans that my wife and I are burdened with.
Degrees are also highly over-rated vs trades. A skilled plumber, electrician or finish carpenter can make as much or more than most people with a degree. Skills learned by working and training are no less valid than skills learned in traditional education. At the end of the day, education is a means to an end. The end is making a good living. There's more than one way to reach that end. I certainly don't feel like my Master's Degree makes me a smarter or better person than the skilled tradesmen that renovated my house and I bet they don't have the $108k in student loans that my wife and I are burdened with.
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akjren, how are those shrimp doing? Fine, I hope. Also, good luck with the Masters degree. During breaks at work, I like to read martial arts magazines (I include the NRA's First Freedom in this category) and a birdwatching one...learned respect and appreciation for nature from farmer Granddad.
Married 24 years this June to the same woman, four kids, one dog, and Army vet (I rank that above the BA, which followed courtesy of the GI Bill). I try to maintain good dental hygeine...no gaps in my smile...like I try to hit the bullseye at the range.
Married 24 years this June to the same woman, four kids, one dog, and Army vet (I rank that above the BA, which followed courtesy of the GI Bill). I try to maintain good dental hygeine...no gaps in my smile...like I try to hit the bullseye at the range.
michiganfan
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BA, JD. married 24 yrs, a daughter 15 yrs old. work way too much work, in fact five hours today, and play way too litttle. But its the work that pays for everything else.
From the intro to an OpEd I wrote in the Boston Globe:
"First off, let me dispense with the perception many people might have of a person who owns fire arms or might take issue with the recently proposed and passed gun bill S-2276. I do not drive a pick up truck with a rebel flag painted on the side. I don’t go to monster truck rallys, I have all my teeth, and I don't have a bumper sticker that reads “they can take my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hand” or something to that effect on my car. I don’t own an “assault weapon” nor do I hunt. I am a 33 year old professional person who earns a good income and lives in a wealthy suburb of Boston. I graduated from a local ivy league university with a degree in the natural sciences. I am strongly pro environment, and a big believer in recycling. And, up until a few days ago I was not a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA). I had never even considered joining the NRA up until this bill, but felt forced to join an organization that represents the rights of honest gun owners which, for better or for worse, appears to be the NRA."
That was almost 10 years ago, so things have changed, like I do own an AR now, have been a member of the NRA, GOAL, etc ever since, and have even stronger views on the topic.
"First off, let me dispense with the perception many people might have of a person who owns fire arms or might take issue with the recently proposed and passed gun bill S-2276. I do not drive a pick up truck with a rebel flag painted on the side. I don’t go to monster truck rallys, I have all my teeth, and I don't have a bumper sticker that reads “they can take my gun when they pry it from my cold dead hand” or something to that effect on my car. I don’t own an “assault weapon” nor do I hunt. I am a 33 year old professional person who earns a good income and lives in a wealthy suburb of Boston. I graduated from a local ivy league university with a degree in the natural sciences. I am strongly pro environment, and a big believer in recycling. And, up until a few days ago I was not a member of the National Rifle Association (NRA). I had never even considered joining the NRA up until this bill, but felt forced to join an organization that represents the rights of honest gun owners which, for better or for worse, appears to be the NRA."
That was almost 10 years ago, so things have changed, like I do own an AR now, have been a member of the NRA, GOAL, etc ever since, and have even stronger views on the topic.
MikeFF
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High school grad ,47 divorced ,2 children , republican .union carpenter for the last 25 years mostly worked outside temps from -5 * to 105* every day ( man this is getting old)
Street-wise and book dumb!!!
Street-wise and book dumb!!!
CajunBass
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I'm 55, caucasian, a more or less "good ol' boy" all my life. Graduated high-school, never served in the military, took a few courses at a local Bible college. I've been known to string a few words together to make a coherent sentence, with most of the words spelled correctly when I write. I've read a few books that didn't have pictures. My wife who is a Yankee, says I have an accent. I don't think so. I'm a born-again Christian, and I vote Republican most of the time.
I've lived in Virginia all my life, (so far anyway) and have hardly ever gone out of the state. I don't own a Confederate flag and don't think I ever have. I am a Civil War buff however. I've flown on a commercial aircraft once. I've taken one real "vacation" in my life. (Not counting hunting season or fishing tournaments.) I got into shooting from hunting, but now I'm more "into" the self-defense aspects of it, in spite of the fact that I have never felt threatened by much of anything. (OK, maybe a Martian invasion, or Zombies.) I've worked for the same company for 35 years, and have almost always had some kind of part time job.
I've lived in Virginia all my life, (so far anyway) and have hardly ever gone out of the state. I don't own a Confederate flag and don't think I ever have. I am a Civil War buff however. I've flown on a commercial aircraft once. I've taken one real "vacation" in my life. (Not counting hunting season or fishing tournaments.) I got into shooting from hunting, but now I'm more "into" the self-defense aspects of it, in spite of the fact that I have never felt threatened by much of anything. (OK, maybe a Martian invasion, or Zombies.) I've worked for the same company for 35 years, and have almost always had some kind of part time job.
22-rimfire
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Firearm owners come from all walks of life and all IQ levels. How much education you have does not necessarily reflect your IQ or experience. I started out with firearms for hunting and general shooting (target, plinking etc.) and my historical firearm purchases reflect that. Moved into the more current mainstream idea regarding self defense and carry as CCW legislation was passed. Still hunt, still shoot for recreation, and still have a serious interest in firearms both historically and recent manufacture.
SnWnMe
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Chief in the Navy. Master's Degree.
Patriot-Brewer
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"We are the world, we are the children"...oh wait, wrong forumn
Gradumacated from high schoo, sum collige, got boreded, been wurkin ever sense.
I enjoy to fish, hunt, shoot, hike, mild 4x4n w/my Jeep, rookie wood working,
yard work/landscaping my place, BBQing a good piece of meat, having get togethers with our friends. I love my wife and daughter. I love my family. I except my job. I love my country (It's original intent) and can't stand socialists....and have to enjoy all of this is So-Cal.
I buy guns for hunting, shooting and defense of life and liberty.
Gradumacated from high schoo, sum collige, got boreded, been wurkin ever sense.
I enjoy to fish, hunt, shoot, hike, mild 4x4n w/my Jeep, rookie wood working,
yard work/landscaping my place, BBQing a good piece of meat, having get togethers with our friends. I love my wife and daughter. I love my family. I except my job. I love my country (It's original intent) and can't stand socialists....and have to enjoy all of this is So-Cal.
I buy guns for hunting, shooting and defense of life and liberty.
ojibweindian
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40 year old Native American with 4 children (my two and my wife's two), 3 grandchildren, and an ex-wife (we get along now).
I've a B.S. in Computer Science, am currently employed as a Test and Systems Engineer, and am working towards and M.S. in Systems Engineering. I really don't want to go through the hassle of a Master's program, but the higher paying, managerial positions here in Huntsville, AL. almost require the advanced sheep skin.
I've a B.S. in Computer Science, am currently employed as a Test and Systems Engineer, and am working towards and M.S. in Systems Engineering. I really don't want to go through the hassle of a Master's program, but the higher paying, managerial positions here in Huntsville, AL. almost require the advanced sheep skin.
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universal
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J.D. stands for Juris Doctor which makes it a doctorate degree.
J.D. was the first officially recorded use of the word "Doctor" in a graduate Master Degree, per the President of Wake Forest Law School (1990) at graduation ceremony.
There is a Doctor of Law, which is a doctoral degree. However, the J.D., is a Masters degree.
Doc2005
There is a Doctor of Law, which is a doctoral degree. However, the J.D., is a Masters degree.
Doc2005
ezypikns
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Went to work after getting about half way through a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering.
After a few years work experience, it just doesn't make that much difference (to me any way).
Just a word to the younger folks: After your kids are educated, grown, and gone, you will be simply astounded how much money you have. More for retirement, travel,....and toys.
After a few years work experience, it just doesn't make that much difference (to me any way).
Just a word to the younger folks: After your kids are educated, grown, and gone, you will be simply astounded how much money you have. More for retirement, travel,....and toys.
Kimber1911_06238
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looks pretty spread out to me
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universal
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Doctor of Law, Doctor of Jurisprudence, and Juris Doctor are all the same thing and are all abriviated to J.D. There is a Master's of Legal Studies which is not the same thing. There is also the S.J.D. which is Doctor of Juridical Science. The LL. D. which is Doctor of Laws is an honorary degree in the U.S. If you want further nit-picking, the J.D. and M.D. are professional degrees and should therefor not be compared to academic/research degrees.
So take your pick; if the M.D. is a Doctorate degree, so is the J.D. The use of the title "Doctor" is used to indicate someone who has great knowledge in their field.
Bottom line is that the J.D. is a Doctorate degree, just not the same as a Ph.D. since the former is a professional degree and the latter is a research based academic degree.
So take your pick; if the M.D. is a Doctorate degree, so is the J.D. The use of the title "Doctor" is used to indicate someone who has great knowledge in their field.
Bottom line is that the J.D. is a Doctorate degree, just not the same as a Ph.D. since the former is a professional degree and the latter is a research based academic degree.
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glassman
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I agree with those that say a degree isn't a measure of intellect. Unfortunately, in this world, the bosses look at the letters after a man's (or woman's) name instead of the man himself and make a judgement as to whether that person is 'right for the job'. The smartest man I ever met left school after the 6th grade to help support his family. He wasn't well schooled but he was well read and had an unbelievably sharp mind. Others I have met have post doctoral degrees and couldn't find their butts if they had their hands in their back pockets and a map!
I agree with those that say a degree isn't a measure of intellect. Unfortunately, in this world, the bosses look at the letters after a man's (or woman's) name instead of the man himself and make a judgement as to whether that person is 'right for the job'. The smartest man I ever met left school after the 6th grade to help support his family. He wasn't well schooled but he was well read and had an unbelievably sharp mind. Others I have met have post doctoral degrees and couldn't find their butts if they had their hands in their back pockets and a map!
I ruin the demos.
38 year old female, BA plus some, single parent, work too much, play too hard.
I think we go too far to distance ourselves from the "good old boys" though..the last thing gun owners need is more division..actually, I think the bigger problem is that while the Nascar watching good old boys like to shoot, they don't get involved too much. There's nothing to be ashamed of in not having an advanced degree or firearms worth thousands of dollars..but we act sometimes as if there is.
There's a big difference between gun owner demographics and gun board demographics.
38 year old female, BA plus some, single parent, work too much, play too hard.
I think we go too far to distance ourselves from the "good old boys" though..the last thing gun owners need is more division..actually, I think the bigger problem is that while the Nascar watching good old boys like to shoot, they don't get involved too much. There's nothing to be ashamed of in not having an advanced degree or firearms worth thousands of dollars..but we act sometimes as if there is.
There's a big difference between gun owner demographics and gun board demographics.
michiganfan
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Little more on JD
In the common law tradition in the United States and Britain, law originally was learned by apprenticeship. Someone from a family seeking a profession would apprentice with a local lawyer. After several years, the lawyer would file a motion with a local court for admission of the apprentice to the bar and the court would enter an order admitting the apprentice as an attorney.
After the concept of law as an elite profession collapsed during the era of Andrew Jackson,[6] a typical law student would usually attend a short undergraduate program – usually of two years or less in length – which culminated in a Bachelor of Laws (LL.B) degree. Most lawyers then underwent a brief oral examination in the chambers of a local judge, and became members of the bar.
South African universities previously presented a post-graduate L.L.B. degree, admission for which a first degree was required. The L.L.B. degree was required for a calling to the Bar as an Advocate. The post-graduate L.L.B. was replaced with a four year undergraduate L.L.B. in 1998 and the B.Proc- and B. Iuris degrees were abolished.
The creation of the modern J.D. program is largely credited to Christopher Columbus Langdell, who served as dean of Harvard Law School from 1870 to 1895. Langdell dedicated his life to reforming legal education in the United States; the historian Robert Stevens wrote that "it was Langdell's goal to turn the legal profession into a university educated one — and not at the undergraduate level, but through a three-year post baccalaureate degree."[7] He was generally successful in remaking most American law schools in Harvard's mold, since they often drew their faculty from Harvard. First, Harvard extended its LL.B. program from 18 months to two years in 1871, and then to three years in 1899. Then, in 1896, Harvard was the first law school to officially require an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite to admission (although the rule was not strictly enforced until 1909). By 1921, the same rule had been adopted by the law schools at Columbia, Pennsylvania, Case Western Reserve, Stanford, and Yale. Still, although the entry-level law program was revamped as a graduate program, the degree conferred continued to be called an LL.B.
However, upon its opening in 1902, the University of Chicago chose to award the J.D. rather than the Bachelor of Laws. Some schools started conferring the J.D. as a Latin honor for students with high grades. Eventually, the disparate treatment prompted schools to abandon the distinction and call all degrees conferred a doctorate. Yale Law School was the last to rename the degree - it conferred the LL.B. until 1971
In the common law tradition in the United States and Britain, law originally was learned by apprenticeship. Someone from a family seeking a profession would apprentice with a local lawyer. After several years, the lawyer would file a motion with a local court for admission of the apprentice to the bar and the court would enter an order admitting the apprentice as an attorney.
After the concept of law as an elite profession collapsed during the era of Andrew Jackson,[6] a typical law student would usually attend a short undergraduate program – usually of two years or less in length – which culminated in a Bachelor of Laws (LL.B) degree. Most lawyers then underwent a brief oral examination in the chambers of a local judge, and became members of the bar.
South African universities previously presented a post-graduate L.L.B. degree, admission for which a first degree was required. The L.L.B. degree was required for a calling to the Bar as an Advocate. The post-graduate L.L.B. was replaced with a four year undergraduate L.L.B. in 1998 and the B.Proc- and B. Iuris degrees were abolished.
The creation of the modern J.D. program is largely credited to Christopher Columbus Langdell, who served as dean of Harvard Law School from 1870 to 1895. Langdell dedicated his life to reforming legal education in the United States; the historian Robert Stevens wrote that "it was Langdell's goal to turn the legal profession into a university educated one — and not at the undergraduate level, but through a three-year post baccalaureate degree."[7] He was generally successful in remaking most American law schools in Harvard's mold, since they often drew their faculty from Harvard. First, Harvard extended its LL.B. program from 18 months to two years in 1871, and then to three years in 1899. Then, in 1896, Harvard was the first law school to officially require an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite to admission (although the rule was not strictly enforced until 1909). By 1921, the same rule had been adopted by the law schools at Columbia, Pennsylvania, Case Western Reserve, Stanford, and Yale. Still, although the entry-level law program was revamped as a graduate program, the degree conferred continued to be called an LL.B.
However, upon its opening in 1902, the University of Chicago chose to award the J.D. rather than the Bachelor of Laws. Some schools started conferring the J.D. as a Latin honor for students with high grades. Eventually, the disparate treatment prompted schools to abandon the distinction and call all degrees conferred a doctorate. Yale Law School was the last to rename the degree - it conferred the LL.B. until 1971
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XavierBreath
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I think THR may be too narrow a cross section of gun owners to get a representative picture. Maybe if you were looking at a cross section of internet savy gun owners who like to discuss issues in a civil manner, then THR would be a representation.
FWIW, I have a useless Master's degree, and an ADoN in nursing. My real education came from the US Navy. I abandoned my Master's degree, got educated about real life in the Navy, got a nursing degree, and went to work. If I go back to school, it will be in law.
FWIW, I have a useless Master's degree, and an ADoN in nursing. My real education came from the US Navy. I abandoned my Master's degree, got educated about real life in the Navy, got a nursing degree, and went to work. If I go back to school, it will be in law.
Patriot-Brewer
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Then there's OD and DO...I think.
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