Gun free zone stores

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If you don't like being accused of such, a better choice would be to, at some point, say something along the lines of, "Oh, ok. I see how that is. You're right. Thanks for explaining that principle," or words to that effect. When you appear to abandon a point you "lost" and jump to strenuous defense of some other point, and then leap to decrying unfair ad hominem attacks, it all looks like deflection and deliberate argumentativeness.
Look, this would all be easy-peasy if these discussions didn't involve so many personal attacks from Mods. I'm very happy to accept an error in my knowledge or reasoning, but when half the discussion is the implied stupidity of myself, or an ATF examiner, or that some people on a discussion board are subject matter experts that are allowed to throw decorum in the toilet, it does not breed an environment to have a discussion.

If you guys want the Legal section to be the "ask a lawyer" section, you can change the settings so no one but the OP and mods can post replies. But if Legal is just a section on an entertainment based gun discussion forum, you might consider reeling in the breathtaking rudeness that some of you seem to feel is more important than following the rules of decorum the the "High Road" is supposedly based on.

If you don't care for my posts from an accuracy standpoint, delete them. I have done nothing to deserve being spoken to with the level of insult that you would ban a regular member for.
 
Actually, the basis of my argument is that the law makes it fairly clear that a sign is necessary for a business to eject a customer because they are armed, or to expect LE to fine them for refusing to leave after being asked to for the reason of having a gun. The law states the necessity of having a sign, twice....
No, you've looked at one statute. You've not considered the full body of Oklahoma law that may bear on the question. The reality is that you haven't done the work necessary to know and therefore are in no position to opine in such sweeping terms.

...if the customer refused and it went to court, it strikes me...
How things "strike" you has nothing to do with reality.

....if you tell someone to leave without giving them a reason, you become open to accusations that the reason was due to something protected, like race or religion....
Yes some reasons for ejection might be protected by federal or state law, e. g., race, religion, sexual orientation. If one wants to complain that he was discriminated against, he must be able to present evidence supporting prima facie his contentions. If then is up to the defendant to present evidence that his actions were for a non-protected reason. That is always a possibility.

.... you can ask an armed man to leave only if you met the legal requirement of having a sign.
How would you know? You've presented absolutely no applicable legal authority to support that claim. The existence of a statute providing a remedy does not automatically make that particular statute the exclusive remedy -- unless a court of competent jurisdiction has so ruled.

And sometimes, instead of discussing the argument, you engage in an ad hominem about the person making it. ...
Phooey!

The reality is that you lack the foundational knowledge necessary to actually understand the subject matter. Instead you seem to think that because you have an IQ of 140 (as you previously claimed) you automatically can figure out the answer to Life, The Universe, And Everything (which is 42, by the way). But smarts aren't enough. Folks still need to know things.

Some of us have that foundational knowledge because we've (1) gone to school specifically to acquire it; and (2) because we continued to acquire it during the course of careers which directly required that we put that knowledge to purposeful use. Others, like Sam, haven't gotten so ego involved in the fact that they're smart that they've forgotten that they still had stuff to learn, and put out the effort to learn.
 
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If you don't care for my posts from an accuracy standpoint, delete them. I have done nothing to deserve being spoken to with the level of insult that you would ban a regular member for.
Ok, can I conclude from this that your two topical arguments -- a) that ignoring a "no gun" sign in OK is illegal, and b) that a store must put up a sign in order to be able to press trespass charges -- have been sufficiently dealt with?

Wouldn't it just be easier to say so that to kick up a lot of sand about how you're being treated, here in the thread?

If you have a complaint about how you're being treated (as you should know by now) it should be taken up with either the Staff members involved, or brought up before the whole Staff via the "Report" button. Not used to smoke screen an ungraceful exit from a debate.
 
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