Gun-friendly nations?
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mercedesrules
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Somalia is very free and has a growing economy.
So, they have three things going for them!
MR
So, they have three things going for them!
MR
igor
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Sorry, not quite so. Scrap "unregistered" and "machine", then we have it right.
Other than that, very similar living all thru Scandinavia. M67 very eloquently described our pretty much common view on life, society and firearms. Predictable, avoidable violence within the culture, an open political discussion with real, functioning democratic control on the powers that be, a very safe environment, no inner cities, no class segregation, literacy at 100%, no structural corruption, a generally sane and natural attitude towards firearms, hunting and military reserve training. I've tried to relate some of that earlier but never really gotten my point across. Takk for hjelpen!
I've lived in Norway too and can relate with their experience. Our cops are always armed, though. In both countries they are quite able to both listen to and talk with their employers.
longeyes
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M67
Regarding INSOMNIA, I think it had to do mainly with unarmed cops in Norway vs. armed cops in Sweden, that cultural difference. The film is a good one, by the way. Recommended. Interesting to watch it back to back with the later American re-make (same title, Al Pacino). Many differences, subtle and not so subtle.
Regarding INSOMNIA, I think it had to do mainly with unarmed cops in Norway vs. armed cops in Sweden, that cultural difference. The film is a good one, by the way. Recommended. Interesting to watch it back to back with the later American re-make (same title, Al Pacino). Many differences, subtle and not so subtle.
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Do people in Scandanavia think, like [many, not all] Americans, that women shouldn't have guns or else they will be taken away and used against them?
Nando Aqui
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New Zealand?
I am not sure about that. I spent a week there about 20 years ago, and I was told that it was not as easy to own and use firearms there as in the USA.
I also had visitors from New Zealand here, showed them some of my guns, and they were surprised at how many I had. Back then I had about 10 rifles, shotguns, and handguns combined! One of these was an FN49 (30-06) and they said no way could they have that there.
And from their web site: http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/
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The New Zealand Police are committed to firearms safety and security.
How to obtain or renew a licence
If you are 16 years or over, you can apply for or renew a licence at your local police station. Download the Application for a New Zealand Firearms Licence form. You must apply in person at an arms office.
Bring with you:
Your old licence (if you have one)
Two recent passport style photos
Three documents that prove your identity (passport, birth certificate, drivers licence, Photo ID, credit card/bank card)
Contact details of two referees. One referee must be your spouse or next of kin, the other must be someone who is over 20 years and not related to you. You will need to provide their full name, address, date of birth and phone number.
Post Shop receipt for fees.
Application fees payable at a Post Shop (incl GST) are:
A Category - $123.75
D Category - $200
D Category (Gun Show) - $50
Endorsements - $200
T Category - $25 for 12 months
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Perhaps not so good?
I am not sure about that. I spent a week there about 20 years ago, and I was told that it was not as easy to own and use firearms there as in the USA.
I also had visitors from New Zealand here, showed them some of my guns, and they were surprised at how many I had. Back then I had about 10 rifles, shotguns, and handguns combined! One of these was an FN49 (30-06) and they said no way could they have that there.
And from their web site: http://www.police.govt.nz/service/firearms/
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The New Zealand Police are committed to firearms safety and security.
How to obtain or renew a licence
If you are 16 years or over, you can apply for or renew a licence at your local police station. Download the Application for a New Zealand Firearms Licence form. You must apply in person at an arms office.
Bring with you:
Your old licence (if you have one)
Two recent passport style photos
Three documents that prove your identity (passport, birth certificate, drivers licence, Photo ID, credit card/bank card)
Contact details of two referees. One referee must be your spouse or next of kin, the other must be someone who is over 20 years and not related to you. You will need to provide their full name, address, date of birth and phone number.
Post Shop receipt for fees.
Application fees payable at a Post Shop (incl GST) are:
A Category - $123.75
D Category - $200
D Category (Gun Show) - $50
Endorsements - $200
T Category - $25 for 12 months
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Perhaps not so good?
fallingblock
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Nando Aqui is correct....
New Zealand is rapidly taking itself down the firearms prohibition path.
After some sixty years of full registration, the N.Z. Police reccommended in the early 1980's that registration be scrapped as useless and a 'lifetime' shooters licence be introduced instead. The price for mine was $35. After a high-profile 'mass' shooting by a disaffected loner in the seaside community of Aramoana, the government did away with the lifetime licence and went to a ten year licence, part of the application process is a visit by police to your home and interviews with family menbers about whether they consider you to be suitable for firearms ownership.
Handguns are very strictly regulated and membership of a target-shooting club is required. No carry is allowed.
The present government is on the verge of reintroducing full firearms registration, despite the Canadian experience and N.Z.'s own past experience of registration as being a costly, time-consuming waste of resources, useless for crime prevention or solving crimes already committed. There are indeed a lot of rifles and shotguns scattered throughout New Zealand, and the firearms-involved crime rate is near the lowest in the world.
The Clark Government has several hoplophobic zealots within it , such as Police Minister George Hawkins and Disarmament Minister Marian Hobbs, as well as absolute paranoid anti-gunners Phil Alpers and Thomas Thorpe urging them on to banning firearms ownership to the greatest extent possible.
So, I would suggest New Zealand be put in the category of "Formerly gun-friendly Nations" for now.
New Zealand is rapidly taking itself down the firearms prohibition path.
After some sixty years of full registration, the N.Z. Police reccommended in the early 1980's that registration be scrapped as useless and a 'lifetime' shooters licence be introduced instead. The price for mine was $35. After a high-profile 'mass' shooting by a disaffected loner in the seaside community of Aramoana, the government did away with the lifetime licence and went to a ten year licence, part of the application process is a visit by police to your home and interviews with family menbers about whether they consider you to be suitable for firearms ownership.
Handguns are very strictly regulated and membership of a target-shooting club is required. No carry is allowed.
The present government is on the verge of reintroducing full firearms registration, despite the Canadian experience and N.Z.'s own past experience of registration as being a costly, time-consuming waste of resources, useless for crime prevention or solving crimes already committed. There are indeed a lot of rifles and shotguns scattered throughout New Zealand, and the firearms-involved crime rate is near the lowest in the world.
The Clark Government has several hoplophobic zealots within it , such as Police Minister George Hawkins and Disarmament Minister Marian Hobbs, as well as absolute paranoid anti-gunners Phil Alpers and Thomas Thorpe urging them on to banning firearms ownership to the greatest extent possible.
So, I would suggest New Zealand be put in the category of "Formerly gun-friendly Nations" for now.
Art Eatman
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It's been 18 years since I was in Costa Rica, but I was pleasantly surprised to see an ad in the "Tico Times" newspaper of a Ruger Blackhawk for sale.
The doctor I was visiting commented about guns in general, "You want a gun? Go buy a gun."
The rice farmers love to have bird hunters come in and help stop those nasty old whitewing doves from eating the crop. And, there is whitetail deer hunting.
The general lack of ownership is probably more from economic reasons than from the law.
That was then; dunno 'bout now.
Still, Costa Rica is an anomalous place. No army; more school teachers than police. 93% literacy rate. They make a fetish of courtesy and politeness.
Art
The doctor I was visiting commented about guns in general, "You want a gun? Go buy a gun."
The rice farmers love to have bird hunters come in and help stop those nasty old whitewing doves from eating the crop. And, there is whitetail deer hunting.
The general lack of ownership is probably more from economic reasons than from the law.
That was then; dunno 'bout now.
Still, Costa Rica is an anomalous place. No army; more school teachers than police. 93% literacy rate. They make a fetish of courtesy and politeness.
Art
I'm glad to see Costa Rica on the list. I've always heard good things about the country. If you need serious medical care - Miami is not far away. God forbid that Hilary makes it in 2008 it may be an option.
I've also heard that 'donating' something the local politicians want will make your life much easier. Though I suppose that's true in any country.
I've also heard that 'donating' something the local politicians want will make your life much easier. Though I suppose that's true in any country.
T.Stahl
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...where they recently banned the sale of JHP ammo in handgun calibers, IIRC.
Did Mussi or any other Swiss member of TFL make it to THR?Sorry, but there are just as many Penguins in Arctica as there are polar bears in Antarctica - that is none.
Mr. Goodglock
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Hello from Thailand!!
Pretty cool gun control here indeed. Normally we have to apply for purchase for every new gun we want to buy then we have to register it to our name. The applicant has to submit recommendation letter from office and bank statement and is subjected to finger print and record check. .45 and .357 are considered too big for the citizen self defense so non LE is usually turned down. Well, normally money can talk. The definitely prohibited guns are:
1. semi auto except .22 and shotgun
2. pistol of caliber bigger than .45
3. pistol with barrel longer than 7 inches
CCW is extremely difficult to acquire. Less than 5,000 has been issued all over the country that around 3 million own guns. The CCW lasts for 1 year and permit an specific gun to be carried. The gun is subjected to ballistic record.
Gun quota cause double price for handguns. A Glock 19 is 11,000 USD and Fed Hydra Shok 9 MM. Para ammo costs 1 USD apiece. Government salary for university graduate starts is around 150 a month while young engineer in private company earns less than 500 USD a month.
We had not been in so bad shape under the mentioned rule BUT since May 29, 03 the Ministry of Interior issues an 6 months order to cancel all CWL and suspend new registration to everybody who has more than 2 gun (yes, he can do this here). The order also prohibits the registration of semi auto shotgun and .22, .45 and .357 magnum. After the order expires in January 2004 we will see what they have more in store. By the way, you would be shock of the violent crimes here.
I did not vote this party. Anybody in gun friendly states who can and want to employ an alien guy with 2 Post grad from UK degree and LE experience please kindly contact me directly at my E-mail. [email protected]
PS Hi Skunk and CWL you guys seem to have some experience of this region. Some American confuse over Thailand and Taiwan. Don’t blame them, most people think NY city is the capital of NY states.
Pretty cool gun control here indeed. Normally we have to apply for purchase for every new gun we want to buy then we have to register it to our name. The applicant has to submit recommendation letter from office and bank statement and is subjected to finger print and record check. .45 and .357 are considered too big for the citizen self defense so non LE is usually turned down. Well, normally money can talk. The definitely prohibited guns are:
1. semi auto except .22 and shotgun
2. pistol of caliber bigger than .45
3. pistol with barrel longer than 7 inches
CCW is extremely difficult to acquire. Less than 5,000 has been issued all over the country that around 3 million own guns. The CCW lasts for 1 year and permit an specific gun to be carried. The gun is subjected to ballistic record.
Gun quota cause double price for handguns. A Glock 19 is 11,000 USD and Fed Hydra Shok 9 MM. Para ammo costs 1 USD apiece. Government salary for university graduate starts is around 150 a month while young engineer in private company earns less than 500 USD a month.
We had not been in so bad shape under the mentioned rule BUT since May 29, 03 the Ministry of Interior issues an 6 months order to cancel all CWL and suspend new registration to everybody who has more than 2 gun (yes, he can do this here). The order also prohibits the registration of semi auto shotgun and .22, .45 and .357 magnum. After the order expires in January 2004 we will see what they have more in store. By the way, you would be shock of the violent crimes here.
I did not vote this party. Anybody in gun friendly states who can and want to employ an alien guy with 2 Post grad from UK degree and LE experience please kindly contact me directly at my E-mail. [email protected]
PS Hi Skunk and CWL you guys seem to have some experience of this region. Some American confuse over Thailand and Taiwan. Don’t blame them, most people think NY city is the capital of NY states.
Mr. Goodglock
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.....most Thai people think NY city is the capital of NY states.
Salpalinja
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Igor, we have to remember those guns that were hidden right after WWII, to fight the then looming soviet invasion. Now I don't know how many of these caches have been reported to the authorities, but I do know that somebody does know where to find them. The men that were involved are not that enthusiastic to talk about where they were hidden.
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