Gun Grabber Giuliani will run for Pres. Rove/Brownback court La Raza

[gunsmith]

I got on my knee's and prayed for GW to win (both times) I will
do the same this time except I will be praying that Gun Grabber Giuliani
will fail & everybody in the media blames gunowners (though I expect the Pro-Lifers, of which I am one, will get all the glory)

http://townhall.com/Columnists/RobertDNovak/2006/07/08/rudy_for_president


Rudy for president?
By Robert D. Novak
Saturday, July 8, 2006

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Well-connected public figures report that they have been told recently by Rudolph Giuliani that, as of now, he intends to run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The former mayor of New York was on top of last month's national Gallup poll measuring presidential preferences by registered Republicans, with 29 percent. Sen. John McCain's 24 percent was second, with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich third at 8 percent. National polls all year have shown Giuliani running either first or second to McCain, with the rest of the presidential possibilities far behind.
epublican insiders respond to these numbers by saying rank-and-file GOP voters will abandon Giuliani once they realize his position on abortion, gay rights and gun control. Party strategists calculate that if he actually runs, he must change on at least one of these issues.

Democrat LIEBERMAN

Supporters of Sen. Joseph Lieberman promise he will continue as a member of the Senate Democratic caucus even if he loses the Democratic primary in Connecticut Aug. 8 and is elected as an independent.

Lieberman's decision announced last week to seek petitions to give him an independent ballot position probably helped businessman Ned Lamont's antiwar Democratic primary campaign. Although Lieberman's support of President Bush on the Iraq war is not popular in Connecticut, he would be heavily favored in a three-way race against Lamont and Republican former state Rep. Alan Schlesinger.

Lieberman's Republican Senate colleagues privately despair of the GOP picking up the Connecticut seat. But they hope Lieberman, if elected as an independent, would be more inclined to vote with Republicans than he is now, even if he still caucuses with the Democrats.

WOOING HISPANICS

Presidential adviser Karl Rove and Sen. Sam Brownback, two conservative Republicans who favor a guest-worker program for immigrants, will address the left-wing Hispanic advocacy group La Raza in Los Angeles this week.

La Raza was active in increasing participation in nationwide work stoppages and demonstrations April 10 after the House passed a tough border enforcement bill. La Raza in Spanish means "The Race."

Former President Bill Clinton heads the list of speakers for the annual meeting of La Raza's national council. The Rev. Jesse Jackson will appear on a panel.

 

[American By Blood]

Wow. I can see it now... November of 2008 rolls around and a La Raza backed Giuliani is running against Hillary Clinton. Their race seems to be a competition to see who can ban guns quicker and promise the illegals more privileges.

Will 2008 be the year that white men finally realize the Republic is dead and that nobody speaks for them?

 

[longeyes]

Let's be pragmatic, for the sake of argument: which candidate are we likely to be able to have more influence with? Certainly not Hillary.

Who would be a better alternative? Tancredo? But what chance does he stand of winning? McCain--he's worse, in my opinion, than Giuliani.

Giuliani wins if he strikes a centrist chord. Does he really want to go on a crusade against guns, especially after 9/11?

 

[coopersizeme]

How to elect Hillary

This guy has been speculating that the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton dynasty has been planned all along. Nominating Rudy would definitely help her get elected.

How to elect hillary

 

[gunslinger15]

Could they actualy ban guns? There are so many guns off the books that it would be impossible wouldnt it? Besides gun owners wont hand them over without a nasty fight anyway. They best not try is what im trying to say!! or get ready

 

[longeyes]

Although I'm no happier with the Republican practices than anyone else on this forum, priority one has to be, realistically, to prevent a Hillary or Gore or [same ilk] Presidency--unless we are really ready to go to the barricades. Make clear to the GOP candidate that losing our votes means losing this election (it does) and make sure we get firm assurances that the things that matter most to us will be protected.

 

[mountainclmbr]

Time for a strong third party candidate, but not from the Green party.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

I will not vote for Giuliani or McCain, and if that means Hillary wins, so be it.

 

[Zedicus]

Time for a strong third party candidate, but not from the Green party.

+1

But the Chances of that happening are Slim at Best...:banghead:

 

[HankB]

Giuliani or McCain would be worse than Hillary.

A win by either would show that the GOP doesn't have to support gun owners or conservatives . . . it would show that, in order to win, they only have to be 0.001" less leftist than the Democrat.

Plus, a GOP that nominates Giuliani or McCain would be a GOP that stabs conservative voters in the back, giving them the finger figuratively . . . and considering the personalities of these two, perhaps even literally.

I'd prefer dealing with a KNOWN enemy (even Hillary) rather than a backstabbing, untrustworthy, conniving "friend."

 

[steve635]

A Bit of Logic

A: Republican cannot win without the South
B: And South will not support a gun control candidate
C: Thus Republican candidate in favor of gun control cannot win.

Personally I don't think it's that much of an issue as I don't think Giuliani or McCain will make it through the Republican Primaries, at least not without a total 180 on a few issues. Polls taken now mean nothing, no one is paying attention yet.

 

[saltydog]

All I can say is

 

[Brett Bellmore]

Hank's right; If Giuliani can win the Presidency, all the fair weather allies we have in Congress, who vote our way only because they're afraid of the consequences if they don't, will decide it's safe to vote their real beliefs on gun control. And the flood gates will open.

 

[silliman89]

Can someone spell out Giuliani's anti-gun history? All I know is that while he was mayor of New York he was trying to be tough on crime. I guess this involved some gun grabbing, but I don't know the details.

It seems to me though that NYC has always been leftist/liberal anti-gun. So that sounds to me like he was just giving his constituency what they wanted. Also, crime is a major concern for a mayor, but not so much for the President.

And I haven't heard anything about his stand on immigration.

I'm not really trying to defend the guy. It's like someone else said, I just haven't been paying attention yet. Presidential elections still seem a long way off.

 

[longeyes]

I'm not really a Giuliani supporter--I prefer Tancredo at this point--but I don't see any good outcomes here. George Allen? But can he really beat Hillary?

We'd better make sure we get our people in at the lower electoral levels.

 

[gunsmith]

Hank B + 1000

Does he really want to go on a crusade against guns, especially after 9/11?

YES!

Rudy, on Prez Clinton gun control schemes "I applaud the President's proposals, and I will support them any way I can."
http://www.nyc.gov/html/rwg/html/97a/ccc.html


Giuliani Joins the War on Handgun Manufacturers

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June 20, 2000, Tuesday
By ERIC LIPTON (NYT); Metropolitan Desk
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DISPLAYING FIRST 50 OF 803 WORDS -Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani, following the lead of many of the nation's other large cities, announced yesterday that his administration would file its own lawsuit against handgun manufacturers, seeking tens of millions of dollars to compensate New York City for injuries and other damage from illegal gun use. The...

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********** Mayor Shifts the Focus From City Crime to Gun Control Laws


By DAVID FIRESTONE
Published: February 25, 1997

About 9 A.M. yesterday, United States Representative Carolyn McCarthy was on her way to Southampton, L.I., for a day off when a call came in from Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani's office. Could she turn around and come to City Hall -- right now -- to appear with the Mayor at an 11 o'clock news conference and help make the case that gun control might have prevented the Empire State Building shootings?

Of course she could. Two and a half hours later (they waited for her), the new Congresswoman was standing beside the Mayor at the Blue Room podium with 10 other gun-control advocates from the region, all hastily assembled by the administration to highlight lax Federal gun regulation.

And suddenly, it was more than a story about tourists being shot in New York; it was a story about Florida's easy access to guns, about Washington's failure to pass strong enough gun laws, about the lobbying of the National Rifle Association.

With Mrs. McCarthy at his side, the Mayor said the gunfire was not the fault of poor security at the landmark tower, or anything related to New York. Rather it could be blamed on a far-reaching national issue well beyond his jurisdiction.

''I don't think that any of the responsibility lies there,'' he said, referring to the Empire State Building. ''I think a much better place to look are to lawmakers who fail to pass sensible gun control laws. It's mind-boggling to most people that someone can come in from a foreign country on a visitor's visa and buy a gun in the United States, not just a gun but an automatic weapon, 14 rounds, where you can in four or five seconds get 14 bullets out.''

And suddenly, before a near-record 20 television cameras from around the nation and the world, the Mayor had transformed the shootings into a national moment of horror that could have happened anywhere because of the National Rifle Association's pressure on Congress.

The subject was no longer the possible damage to New York's image, but rather the difference between the rest of the country and New York, a city with strict gun laws that the Mayor said were partly responsible for the drop in crime here. The news conference also reminded voters of Mr. Giuliani's longstanding support for strong gun control legislation.

For Mrs. McCarthy, a Long Island Democrat, and other advocates of persuading Congress to adopt stricter gun control laws, the Empire State Building shooting offered them an opportunity to press their case.

''The whole idea of the press conference was to bring this tragedy onto the national level,'' said Mrs. McCarthy, whose husband was killed in a 1993 shooting incident on the Long Island Rail Road. ''We can't stop the guns from coming into New York if we don't do it around the country, and that's what the Mayor and I have been saying for years.''

The broader focus of the news conference, which surprised reporters who had come seeking new details on the shootings, was conceived at Mr. Giuliani's daily 8 A.M. meeting at City Hall yesterday. Colleen A. Roche, the Mayor's press secretary, said the Mayor had learned late Sunday night that the gun used in the shootings had been purchased legally in Florida, and had brought up the issue at the morning meeting.

''The Mayor was concerned about gun control issues, and determined that this was a case that cried out for stricter gun control,'' she said. ''After discussions this morning at the meeting, he had the staff reach out to Congresswoman McCarthy, and to other gun control advocates. A few calls were made, and advocates pretty much organized themselves to come. They have an extraordinary communications network.''

She said the emphasis on gun control was not intended to divert attention from an incident that might tarnish the city's falling crime rate.

''There was no discussion of that whatsoever,'' she said. ''The motives here were very clear and simple: this individual never should have been able to purchase this gun.''

It was still too early to determine whether the strategy worked, but tourism officials said they did not expect the shooting to have much effect on the city's strong new appeal to visitors.
Rudy also is a member of "million mom march"!

 

[MountainPeak]

Rudy or McCain, now there's a choice 2nd Amendment supporters can get behind! I WILL NOT VOTE FOR EITHER. By the way, besides being against the 1st, and 2nd Amendments, have I told you, I honestly believe McCain is mentally ill.

 

[Zedicus]

Hank's right; If Giuliani can win the Presidency, all the fair weather allies we have in Congress, who vote our way only because they're afraid of the consequences if they don't, will decide it's safe to vote their real beliefs on gun control. And the flood gates will open.

I Agree, Much like with the UN Treaty all it will take for things to go to hell is the Wrong person in the Oval Office, any one of these Hardcore Gun Grabbers would most defiantly be the Wrong Person...

Main problem is is that Both main party's now bear extremely few Difference's, Time for a third party (IE: Constitution/Libritarian party) as the other two have completely Betrayed their core Values and started to ignore their Voters Wishes.

 

[45Cal]

Look's like another RINO to me.

 

[Art Eatman]

I've been telling you guys for over a year that our best hope is the House of Representatives. If we can can continue to strongly influence that group as we now do, we're less likely to be hurt by the RINO Senate and a for President.

Art

 

[Cosmoline]

Make no mistake, this man is a greater threat to us than a dozen HC's. Unlike Hillary, HE ACTUALLY HAS GRABBED GUNS. He's been in charge of one of the most anti-gun governments in the US and has never backed off his positions one bit. There can be no excuse for voting for him, and I'd much rather see HC in office. I'll be damned if I'm going to support some gun grabbing gumba scum for President just because he's registered as a Republican.

All I know is that while he was mayor of New York he was trying to be tough on crime.

Yeah, and if you pack iron in his New York YOU ARE A CRIMINAL. It's an evil place run by evil men. Remember "This is Giuliani time"? Remember Amadu Diallo getting burned down by plainclothes ANTI-GUN NYPD apes? They were there hunting for people with guns. If the GOP actually nominates a man who dreamed the "Street Crimes Unit" up, I think it's time to destroy the GOP. That whole operation was about as close to Rio death squads as we've ever come in the US.

Hillary, for all the complaints about her, has never taken anyone's iron let alone killed them. In the unlikely event she became President she'd be working hard to keep her liberal past in the closet and most of her initiatives would be stymied in Congress. Rudy, though, could actually get something done. He's an old operator and enjoys enormous popularity in RINO circles back east.

 

[Zedicus]

I've been telling you guys for over a year that our best hope is the House of Representatives. If we can can continue to strongly influence that group as we now do, we're less likely to be hurt by the RINO Senate and a for President.

True, However "Less Likely" isn't much of a improvement...

 

[Cosmoline]

The very best thing that can happen is a defeat of the RINO core in the Senate this November, either in the primaries or more likely by Dems because the conservative base stays home. Yes, it would mean a Democratic Senate and NOTHING will get done for two years. But first of all that's not such a bad thing and secondly you have to poison to cure the cancer sometimes. Dems are a pretty effective poison. That way we can start clean in the next big election cycle.

 

[orangelo]

Tom Tancredo for pres.

Actually I'd vote for Pee Wee Herman before either McCain, or Guliani or Klinton.

 

[gunsmith]

I agree with you 100 %

Pee Wee would be much better the gun grabber ghoulianni or johnny mcclib