tackleberry
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speaking of the "gun-grabbing apocalypse" does anyone have any statistics on the increase of crime in areas like australia or the uk?
Gun-Grabbing Apocalypse?
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Don't Tread On Me
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Well, the reality is (the one we're not suppose to talk about) is that the best strategy is to hide your firearms from confiscation, then later on engage in a guerilla war type resistance of ambushes, bombings, assassinations, kidnappings and whatever tactic can be used to combat the tyrannical regime.
It's the only way really. We condemn certain middle eastern guerilla forces today due in part to the way we see things and propaganda, but the reason they do the things they are doing is because they're up against a high-tech super-force. They have no other tactics or options. We'll be no different. We'll be worse off actually, as other guerillas around the world have more supplies, full-autos, RPG's, mortars and explosives all in a region that is underdeveloped and as a result - not a technological police-state. We have far less effective weaponry, and we live in a place that is far more controlled.
The men who founded this nation were considered dastardly and dispicable due to their unconventional and "cowardly" tactics. If the word "terrorist" existed in 1775, I'll give you guys all one guess who the British would label as that?
The truth is, there are NO rules in war. That is true of 4th Generation War. It's all war, just different forms of it. Violence is violence - and people will do whatever it takes to acheive their goals. It's all the same.
This assumes that people will react in this way to a massive gun-grabbing apocalypse. If they don't - it's over. The last chance for a society to combat tyranny is to draw the line at firearm confiscation. After that, the people have no more leverage, nor do they have the means to change anything. The tyrants will achieve a total monopoly of force - and everytime that's happened, there have been mass genocides.
Laws, words, movements, consitutions, bills, amendments are all meaningless without the ability to project force. There's a reason why authorities have firearms, because we want them to be able to enforce the law. The law is meaningless if there's no way to project force. Why? Because people will test authority by upping the ante - and the logical conclusion of that is bloodshed via lethal force. Likewise, tyrants will up the ante - but before they do - they want to make sure you can't shed their blood first. This is just the reality of the world.
Hopefully, we can let the PEN do the work instead of the sword. Dunno if I'd like to live through something like that.
It's the only way really. We condemn certain middle eastern guerilla forces today due in part to the way we see things and propaganda, but the reason they do the things they are doing is because they're up against a high-tech super-force. They have no other tactics or options. We'll be no different. We'll be worse off actually, as other guerillas around the world have more supplies, full-autos, RPG's, mortars and explosives all in a region that is underdeveloped and as a result - not a technological police-state. We have far less effective weaponry, and we live in a place that is far more controlled.
The men who founded this nation were considered dastardly and dispicable due to their unconventional and "cowardly" tactics. If the word "terrorist" existed in 1775, I'll give you guys all one guess who the British would label as that?
The truth is, there are NO rules in war. That is true of 4th Generation War. It's all war, just different forms of it. Violence is violence - and people will do whatever it takes to acheive their goals. It's all the same.
This assumes that people will react in this way to a massive gun-grabbing apocalypse. If they don't - it's over. The last chance for a society to combat tyranny is to draw the line at firearm confiscation. After that, the people have no more leverage, nor do they have the means to change anything. The tyrants will achieve a total monopoly of force - and everytime that's happened, there have been mass genocides.
Laws, words, movements, consitutions, bills, amendments are all meaningless without the ability to project force. There's a reason why authorities have firearms, because we want them to be able to enforce the law. The law is meaningless if there's no way to project force. Why? Because people will test authority by upping the ante - and the logical conclusion of that is bloodshed via lethal force. Likewise, tyrants will up the ante - but before they do - they want to make sure you can't shed their blood first. This is just the reality of the world.
Hopefully, we can let the PEN do the work instead of the sword. Dunno if I'd like to live through something like that.
Jorg Nysgerrig
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Wouldn't the best strategy be to act now to prevent such things from becoming necessary? Try being politically active, supporting organizations who support your beliefs, and working to educate others. Hell, just take a few people shooting who have never been before and make sure they have a great time. Even that small action will do more gun ownership than any discussion of fantasies about being a freedom-loving guerilla sticking it to the man.
Taking meaningful, realistic, and responsible action today is what is needed. Sadly, that takes more work and motivation than spreading the gloom and doom on the internet. Humans, by their very nature, almost always go the easiest route.
airmonkey
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I think Thomas Jefferson said it best at the start of the last Revolution.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government. Quote from the Declaration of Independence
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government. Quote from the Declaration of Independence
Don't Tread On Me
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Jorg,
Yes, I was assuming the confiscation was inevitable when I wrote that.
The easiest, cheapest, and safest strategy is the sole reason THR exists. To educate people and promote civilian ownership of effective firearms. Each anti we bring over from the dark-side is a big accomplishment.
Airmonkey, Jefferson was hated even in his own time by those who wanted a centralized government and thought of the Bill of Rights as far too lenient. His words are considered by people today to be simply some jargon from the past with no meaning for today. Just some old-history...
Yes, I was assuming the confiscation was inevitable when I wrote that.
The easiest, cheapest, and safest strategy is the sole reason THR exists. To educate people and promote civilian ownership of effective firearms. Each anti we bring over from the dark-side is a big accomplishment.
Airmonkey, Jefferson was hated even in his own time by those who wanted a centralized government and thought of the Bill of Rights as far too lenient. His words are considered by people today to be simply some jargon from the past with no meaning for today. Just some old-history...
read
Amazon.com Enemies Foreign and Domestic
www.amazon.com/Domestic-Enemies
www.amazon.com/Unintended-Consequences/
and that is what will happen if they try to ban guns in America.
Amazon.com Enemies Foreign and Domestic
www.amazon.com/Domestic-Enemies
www.amazon.com/Unintended-Consequences/
and that is what will happen if they try to ban guns in America.
romma
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If it's
Time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.
Time to bury them, it's time to dig them up.
sterling180
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Not quite all banned,as I and others from the UK,had said for some time,that only standard handguns and semi-automatic fullbore rifles have been banned.Yes that does include sporting models too,which fit into the semi-auto centerfire category,as well-unfortunately.
Apparently these weapons,which were used by nutcases,to murder innocent people-have no legal place in the UK society-even if you are the Queen,King or Prime Minister of the UK.
.Next the antis will demolish Bisley with dynamite and bulldozers,in order to destroy,my country's great shooting heritage-and to pretend that we were and are at present-not a weapons society.
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learn2shoot
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Four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soapbox, ballot box, jury box, ammo box - use in that order.
IMHO - We are still on the first and second boxes.
IMHO - We are still on the first and second boxes.
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