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Also, many incidents that wouldn't be national news suddenly qualify as national news as the leftist media pumps up the volume for thier candidate.
You will never see CBS trumpeting a CCW holder stopped a crime - doesn't fit thier political agenda.
 
Also, many incidents that wouldn't be national news suddenly qualify as national news as the leftist media pumps up the volume for thier candidate.

So true.Incidents like these killings happened years ago and only locals knew about them.Now with cable channels,the frenzied left wing MSM media and the internet, every single event becomes National news within minutes.
 
There are something like 15,000 murders a year in America.

At any moment the press can play a few up to make a political point. There's really nothing we can do about that.

The main thing that's changed is that people seem to live at a national level now due to television and the internet.

When someone in Missouri was murdered in 1850, no one in Oklahoma ever heard about it. But today it's right there on your screen in your living room, and it seems like it happened next door.
 
It's certainly easier for the media to instill fear on a national level. It's quite amazing how much they use fear as a tactic to get viewership.
 
Between 1999-2004, the average number of firearms deaths annually in the US was right around 29,510 (per CDC statistics).

That's 81 firearms deaths per day.

This is not an abnormally high level of firearms deaths - maybe an abnormally high level of media-reported, emotionally-charged firearms deaths, though.

Incidentally, in 2004, there were also 44,933 motor vehicle deaths (123/day). We don't hear about every person who dies in a car accident, either.
 
When someone in Missouri was murdered in 1850, no one in Oklahoma ever heard about it.

Well, thats because no one was living in Oklahoma in 1850.
Just kidding another okie!There were a few Native Americans wandering the grasslands.
 
It just seems like it because the news media is spoon feeding it to you that way.

Every year there is thousands of shootings and deaths. There is thousands of murders by guns and other means) and deaths in many nations of the world, especialy diverse ones.
If there was just 365 shooting deaths a year in this nation of hundreds of millions of people, they could have one per day to plaster on everyone's tv in the nation. There is many more than that, yet it is still a minor cause of death. You are much more likely to die driving somewhere, eating the wrong foods, drowning, having a doctor make a mistake treating you for something etc

We have hundreds of millions of people of all ages, and numerous deaths and births happen every day.


That means every day there is multiple shootings in the country, and has been for years. Some offensive, some defensive, and many more uses of firearms in defense that don't result in a shot.

There is also several times more fatal car crashes, many accidental, some intentional caused by people racing or negligence through drunk driving, looking for something while driving, on phone etc

Every year there is many drowning deaths, far more than firearm related deaths. If the news media sensationalized the death of every person that drowned, they could cover dozens of the worst stories that happen across the country every day, and make people think we were in a deadly drowning epidemic.

The news has decided to tell people about firearm related incidents anyplace in the nation as national news for some reason. Yet most other news is told only at the local level. That gives the impression that shootings are far more common than they are.

Lets take a look at the CDC numbers.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr55/nvsr55_19.pdf

In 2004 there was 2,397,615 deaths in the United States.
29,569 were from firearm related injuries. These include criminals shot by the police, people shot in self defense, suicide by firearm, gang shootings etc
They accounted for 17.7 percent of all injury related deaths.
56.6% of those were suicides, and in 39.3% of them someone else pulled the trigger intentionaly.
Like I said, these are all deaths, including the "good" ones.
Males were killed by them at 6.6 times the rate of females.

Well 29,569 deaths averages out to a little over 81 deaths per day from firearms.

That means there was on average 81 news stories that could be plastered on television screens every day in 2004 across the nation, and even taking 20 seconds for each shooting story, you could fill an entire 30 min newscast (which are just rebroadcast throughout the day) as it would fill 27 minutes to cover them perfectly with no breaks, leaving just 3 minutes for commercials.

If they wanted to just cover the most horrible of the 81 per day, they could probably select the top 10, and cover them every day, and never need to use the same story another day of the year to make it appear we were in a killing epidemic across the nation.

So the truth is the news media has just decided to cover more shootings recently. The rate of shootings does not really vary that greatly.
I would venture some in charge "feel something should be done" and are deciding to set the stage by gradualy getting people tired of the "endless carnage".
Making someone else think they thought of the solution you want them to come up with is an old strategy, and it doesn't make them think your dictating to them.
They want people to reach the conclusion too many firearms are causing too many problems, and freedoms are still too great. The news does a lot of many people's thinking for them, and people think they came up with the results on thier own.

According to census data the population of the United States was estimated to be 293,655,404 on july 1 2004.
29,569 divided by 293,655,404 is about .0001
There was about a .01% chance you would die by a firearm in 2004 based on that, and that takes into consideration many people who kill themselves, or live lifestyles were violence is common. So your actual chance is even lower.
If we adjust for just homicides, both "good" self defense, etc and bad
We have about 11620 (39.3% of total deaths by firearms.) 11620 divided by 293,655,000 gives you .0000395 or about a .004% chance of death by firearm related homicide per person per year.

About .004% of people in the United States died of homicide by firearms in 2004, both "good" and bad shoots. Or about 31-32 a day.
Did you see 31 or 32 murders in the news per day then?

I repeat, the biggest change is the number of stories the news is deciding to cover, and they cover more firearm related incidents as national news than most others stories, which are only told localy.
The number covered in the news is not relevant to the number happening.
The main change is political agendas at various times, or a shown interest by viewers, which corrosponds with increased coverage for profit.
 
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Between 1999-2004, the average number of firearms deaths annually in the US was right around 29,510 (per CDC statistics).

That's 81 firearms deaths per day.

This is not an abnormally high level of firearms deaths - maybe an abnormally high level of media-reported, emotionally-charged firearms deaths, though.

Incidentally, in 2004, there were also 44,933 motor vehicle deaths (123/day). We don't hear about every person who dies in a car accident, either.

if i remember correctly without looking it up, that approximately 30,000 deaths includes 12,000 gun suicides and somewhere between 750 and 1000 shootings by law enforcement... and since suicides will happen even if guns arent available, that part of the stat isnt valid for the purposes of violent crime discussion... the LEO shootings also shouldnt be considered in the violent crime stats... that leaves approximately 17,000 deaths... now, how many of those were accidental/negligent? im guessing that several thousand were... lets say 3500... that leaves 13,500 deaths that are related to violent crime... since we also know that familial murders are often committed by other means such as poisoning, drowning, stabbing etc.... how many of the remaining gun deaths would have happened by another means if a gun werent present?

the problem is, numbers can be made to tell any side of a chosen story... people buy into the bradys statements when they start quoting the 30,000 number...
 
Did you two not just read my post above, I just covered that Mekender with the CDC link.
Almost exactly what you said, and your numbers were in fact about spot on.

The homicides ("good" and bad, done by the good guys and by criminals) were 39.3% of the firearm related deaths and the suicides were 56.6%
That leaves 4.1% for AD/ND related deaths. 4.1% of the total of 29,569 is about 1212.

There may be 81 per day, however only 31-32 of those are homicides, and those include all shooting homicides, including many by police or gang on gang violence.

That means an American on average has about a .004% chance of death by firearm homicide per year. Even lower in reality since many people choose to live lifestyles that dramaticly increase thier individual risk bringing up the total average beyond what it really is for you.
 
Did you two not just read my post above, I just covered that Mekender with the CDC link.

I did read your excellent fact filled post !
I did not see in the post however, the breakdown of the actual nunbers of accidental deaths.If it is in there somewhere ,I missed it.It must have been in the CDC link, which I didn't have the strength to click on.
At this hour my powers(joke)start to wane and concentration becomes a problem.
 
I never said anything about the 29,500 number being murders, I just said gun deaths. As in, people killed by firearms.

In 2004 (per CDC):
Accidental discharge of firearms: 649
Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms: 16,750
Assault (homicide) by discharge of firearms: 11,624
Discharge of firearms, undetermined intent: 235

This adds up to 29,258, but also per CDC there were 29,569 firearms deaths in 2004. I'm not sure where the extra 311 firearms deaths came from, they don't seem to be in the tables.

As noted several places, firearms are a very small part of the total accidental deaths. Some other numbers from 2004 (also per CDC):

Transport accidents (motor vehicle, aircraft, boat, etc): 48,053
Accidental falls: 18,807
Accidental drowning and submersion: 3,308
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames: 3,229
Accidental poisoning and exposure to noxious substances: 20,950

I'm not parroting anything that the Brady Campaign says, I think they're all idiots and I am against gun control. However, saying "man, we have news reports of 20 people killed over the last week" is a little silly given that more than 500 people are killed with firearms each week.
 
I'm not sure where the extra 311 firearms deaths came from, they don't seem to be in the tables.
aha I knew even rough estimates seemed a little off. No wonder, they had 311 extra in there. Perhaps those are the people that had a gun fall on them from up high :neener: Then it wouldn't be homicide, suicide or related to a discharge.
 
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