jimmyraythomason
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There it is!!!! I see this recurring theme in a LOT of posts!
Gun Myths and Legends
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BrandonFromTampa
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Yeah I never understood the one about needing to go through six racks of pig ribs and three feet of ballistic gelatin before you could count on a round to kill someone. I weigh 300lbs and I'm not two feet thick, not in the heart region anyway. I don't think my belly is two feet thick but I could be wrong. But I thought the magazine spring one was true. If you compress a spring doesn't it lose its strength?
jimmyraythomason
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Even if it does just pretend it doesn't and move on.
Carter
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That actually can happen, and does. Had a LEO tell me about a case where that killed someone.
bwsmith2850
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I feel your pain.
russ69
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The metal in a spring will only deform once you are past the yield strength of the metal. The designers/engineers make sure you can't reach the yield point in normal use. The myth comes from the old days when leaf springs were used and they were sometimes very near the yield limit. This doesn't happen with modern designs.
Thanx, Russ
I believe you missed the point these are all myths I have heard
Again I have heard more times than I want to count that .223 more than likely will NOT kill and ONLY wound on the battle field
I agree that it was designed to wound but thats not what people say in gun shops they just forget the possability of death all together
Hi-points seem to do well same with Bersa and Ruger isnt what I would call expencive a matter of fact I can think of lots of brands with guns under $500 (my own gauge for expencive) that are not junk and I can think of alot of brands over $500 that have had major issues recalls or other malfunctions
I can say that there is an eliment of failure for the device but alot of people would rather "blame the joystick" than admit they are doing something wrong
I agree but I have heard alot of people claim "I wont use any gun less than Brand X or that costs under $XXX"
money does not equal quality or training
What about target shooting, hunting, or long range sport?
The .50 BMG is used in combat all the time the M2 and the Barrett are not just procurments but in active duty around the globe
Fireing .50BMG in a properly set up rifle is no more punishing than 12gauge buck or slug
Expensive is relative too I have seen members of this forum that "plink" with .50BMG
Too rough to become proficient... just check out Carlos Hathcocks (once) Record holding distance shot. Or the Canadians shot who holds the record now... Both with .50BMG
and alot more people than you would imagine hunt with desert eagles and .50AE
care to elaborate?
I own a judge and have put enough rounds through it that if it was gonna break it probably would have by now
Ive heard it all before "its fit and finish are garbage" "Its no good for HD" "Why buy a gun to fire .45LC/.410 when I own XXX"
Its not for everyone I understand but i can assure you its not junk
Ive heard this at ranges where some He-Man claims you learn better with hard pounding monsterous recoil because hes a big tough guy... a big tough guy who doesnt know the fundamentals and flinches like crazy at that
I learned the um... I guess youd call it the easy way
Brick after brick of .22lr and slowly getting farther away from my target untill I learned propper trigger control and stance etc... (not saying I got it perfect but I at least know when I did it wrong and how to try and correct the problem)
Again I have heard more times than I want to count that .223 more than likely will NOT kill and ONLY wound on the battle field
I agree that it was designed to wound but thats not what people say in gun shops they just forget the possability of death all together
Hi-points seem to do well same with Bersa and Ruger isnt what I would call expencive a matter of fact I can think of lots of brands with guns under $500 (my own gauge for expencive) that are not junk and I can think of alot of brands over $500 that have had major issues recalls or other malfunctions
I can say that there is an eliment of failure for the device but alot of people would rather "blame the joystick" than admit they are doing something wrong
I agree but I have heard alot of people claim "I wont use any gun less than Brand X or that costs under $XXX"
money does not equal quality or training
What about target shooting, hunting, or long range sport?
The .50 BMG is used in combat all the time the M2 and the Barrett are not just procurments but in active duty around the globe
Fireing .50BMG in a properly set up rifle is no more punishing than 12gauge buck or slug
Expensive is relative too I have seen members of this forum that "plink" with .50BMG
Too rough to become proficient... just check out Carlos Hathcocks (once) Record holding distance shot. Or the Canadians shot who holds the record now... Both with .50BMG
and alot more people than you would imagine hunt with desert eagles and .50AE
care to elaborate?
I own a judge and have put enough rounds through it that if it was gonna break it probably would have by now
Ive heard it all before "its fit and finish are garbage" "Its no good for HD" "Why buy a gun to fire .45LC/.410 when I own XXX"
Its not for everyone I understand but i can assure you its not junk
Ive heard this at ranges where some He-Man claims you learn better with hard pounding monsterous recoil because hes a big tough guy... a big tough guy who doesnt know the fundamentals and flinches like crazy at that
I learned the um... I guess youd call it the easy way
Brick after brick of .22lr and slowly getting farther away from my target untill I learned propper trigger control and stance etc... (not saying I got it perfect but I at least know when I did it wrong and how to try and correct the problem)
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1. a polymer gun is a 'toy/pop-gun' and a worthless choice for a defense/fighting gun- even if it happens to be chambered in .45- but the same exact .45 bullet fired from a steel 1911 will kill anyone instantly.
2. 'it just went off!! all on its own, it wasnt even loaded! i was just sitting here all innocent, and the evil, sinister gun just went off!!!'
3. and my favorite-commonplace on forums, in magazine reviews, gunshops/shows, etc...: "we shot .00000079 inch groups consistently from 25 yards with this subcompact DA handgun"
2. 'it just went off!! all on its own, it wasnt even loaded! i was just sitting here all innocent, and the evil, sinister gun just went off!!!'
3. and my favorite-commonplace on forums, in magazine reviews, gunshops/shows, etc...: "we shot .00000079 inch groups consistently from 25 yards with this subcompact DA handgun"
Ragnar Danneskjold
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Yeah....in a rifle. Whether a Marine sniper is proficient with the .50cal precision rifle he trains with has nothing to do with whether an extra large frame pistol in .50cal is something sensible to carry.
mcdonl
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That a .22 is not deadly and will only make someone mad
Tragic proof that's a myth.
Tragic proof that's a myth.
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Dimis:
My reply to your points wasn't physically that well constructed. I basically *agreed* that most of the things you said, however...
As for .223, I'm agreeing completely that it's a myth about that round being intended to wound. In fact, I would even think that it might be a violation of the Hague Convention to design rounds for wounding or even instructing troops in general to "shoot to wound" (Possible exception: a precise shot to an identified leadership target to make them combat ineffective but still alive for capture/questioning)
I think you got .50BMG and .50AE mixed up. Different rounds, different purposes. I cannot see the battlefield or home defense utility of a 70+ ounce .50AE pistol of outsize dimensions with really punishing recoil. I wholeheartedly agree that .50 BMG weapons of all sorts have proven their utility again and again throughout the ages, whether they be full auto, bolt action or semiauto.
As for the judge, I wish I could remember all the details of the podcaster's points, but one of them was that if someone you care about is near a bad guy, that shotshell load could easily hurt the wrong person accidentally. I don't recall the podcast questioning the construction quality of the gun, it was more of a case of breaking through the hype and analysing the tactical value of it.
I also was in agreement about blaming the shooter first and the equipment second, especially for beginners, whose lack of accuracy might be due to poor stance/sight alignment or whose mechanical failures might be due to incorrect execution of a any one of the manual actions one has to perform to get a weapon into battery.
As for the .22 thing, well, we may be reading different things in publications and on the Internet. Starting shooters off on mild calibers seems to be a bit of common sense that's surprisingly... common.
Along those lines, I've heard lots about how "puny" the .22 is, and how "surprisingly deadly" it is, but on balance I've heard more about the latter, and I believe it.
The Israeli army supposedly once deployed some precision shooters with .22LR rifles. Their mission was to identify the leaders of the rock and bottle throwing riots and shoot to wound. Their mission essentially failed, because the round would hit a limb and sever an artery, or bounce off bone and cause lethal internal organ injuries. Or they'd miss the supposed "non vital" areas and cause grievous abdominal wounds.
My reply to your points wasn't physically that well constructed. I basically *agreed* that most of the things you said, however...
As for .223, I'm agreeing completely that it's a myth about that round being intended to wound. In fact, I would even think that it might be a violation of the Hague Convention to design rounds for wounding or even instructing troops in general to "shoot to wound" (Possible exception: a precise shot to an identified leadership target to make them combat ineffective but still alive for capture/questioning)
I think you got .50BMG and .50AE mixed up. Different rounds, different purposes. I cannot see the battlefield or home defense utility of a 70+ ounce .50AE pistol of outsize dimensions with really punishing recoil. I wholeheartedly agree that .50 BMG weapons of all sorts have proven their utility again and again throughout the ages, whether they be full auto, bolt action or semiauto.
As for the judge, I wish I could remember all the details of the podcaster's points, but one of them was that if someone you care about is near a bad guy, that shotshell load could easily hurt the wrong person accidentally. I don't recall the podcast questioning the construction quality of the gun, it was more of a case of breaking through the hype and analysing the tactical value of it.
I also was in agreement about blaming the shooter first and the equipment second, especially for beginners, whose lack of accuracy might be due to poor stance/sight alignment or whose mechanical failures might be due to incorrect execution of a any one of the manual actions one has to perform to get a weapon into battery.
As for the .22 thing, well, we may be reading different things in publications and on the Internet. Starting shooters off on mild calibers seems to be a bit of common sense that's surprisingly... common.
Along those lines, I've heard lots about how "puny" the .22 is, and how "surprisingly deadly" it is, but on balance I've heard more about the latter, and I believe it.
The Israeli army supposedly once deployed some precision shooters with .22LR rifles. Their mission was to identify the leaders of the rock and bottle throwing riots and shoot to wound. Their mission essentially failed, because the round would hit a limb and sever an artery, or bounce off bone and cause lethal internal organ injuries. Or they'd miss the supposed "non vital" areas and cause grievous abdominal wounds.
Arkansas Paul
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That's great!!!
jimmyraythomason
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That explains why there are no cats around here.
I believe your being single minded on this... your only looking at COMBAT applications of both rounds and arms
Large game hunters are useing .50BMG more and more to hunt long ranges
And I never said anything about Desert Eagles being a military application or home defense gun or a rediculous carry option my point was that people do use them for hunting and sporting purposes and they are not a useless safe queen or range toy
No I didnt...
I know the .50BMG is a large rifle round based on a scaled up version of a .30-06 developed for hard targets and long range shooting by John Moses Browning for use in his designed M2 "Ma Duece" machine gun and that it has been in use by our military for decades and civilianly used for long range competition and hunting purposes since the late 80s early 90s thanks to the development of the Barrett Rifles and the custom rifles before those
.50 Action Express was a cartridge developed by IWI to replace its .41 Action Express and be chambered in its new Desert Eagle handgun with hopes of military adoption but it did not take off.
But the civilian market and movie industry took it to the success it has today and MANY MANY MANY people around the world use the DE and .50AE for handgun hunting and other sporting purposes
...also see above
again one track combative mind
I stated that they are not junk nor are they useless I never stated the use for them but I have found mine to be a great snake charmer and at close range it will be good for defense (I know I wouldnt want to stand in front of it) but the general purpose I own one is for snakes and just to play with
Just because a firearm isnt a combat piece doesnt render it useless nor does it effect the quality of that piece and render it "junk"
see picture hehehehe
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=501880&page=2
"Any handgun that costs less than $600 will always jam"
So if I pay $800 or a High Point the extra $650 generates magic waves that will make it jam proof?
"Taurus handguns tend to blow up in peoples hands"
Which is why my favorite t-shirt reads; I bought a Taurus and all i got was this lousy t-shirt and a cool lookiong metal hook for a hand.
" A.50 BMG round passing within four inches of a mans head will rip the skin off his face"
I can't come up with a smart aleck remark that will do justice to that one
So if I pay $800 or a High Point the extra $650 generates magic waves that will make it jam proof?
"Taurus handguns tend to blow up in peoples hands"
Which is why my favorite t-shirt reads; I bought a Taurus and all i got was this lousy t-shirt and a cool lookiong metal hook for a hand.
" A.50 BMG round passing within four inches of a mans head will rip the skin off his face"
I can't come up with a smart aleck remark that will do justice to that one
jimmyraythomason
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But he won't have to shave again.
jimmyraythomason
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Mine are,aren't your's?
leagal reasons im not allowed to store loaded firearms in my house
+ im not even allowed to protect myself with it.the goverment belives i should call the police and jump out the window leaving my family in the hands of scumbags as u probably figured out im from the communistic states of europe
jimmyraythomason
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From that descrption,you could just as easily been in NYC or New Jersey.
If you play with NFA toys for awhile you will hear these lines:
Silencers are completely illegal in the U.S.
Machine guns are completely illegal in the U.S.
You have to have a special "Class 3 permit" to own a silencer or machine gun
Before you can own a silencer or machine gun you have to sign a document giving up all your constitutional rights (I have heard this many times, most recently about 3 weeks ago)
If you own a machine gun or silencer the ATF has the right to search your home any time they want to and as often as they want to.
I have heard all of these more times than I can count
Silencers are completely illegal in the U.S.
Machine guns are completely illegal in the U.S.
You have to have a special "Class 3 permit" to own a silencer or machine gun
Before you can own a silencer or machine gun you have to sign a document giving up all your constitutional rights (I have heard this many times, most recently about 3 weeks ago)
If you own a machine gun or silencer the ATF has the right to search your home any time they want to and as often as they want to.
I have heard all of these more times than I can count
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Where do your car springs wear most - while it's parked or while you're driving 60 mph on bumpy roads?
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