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Gun Owners - Hurting our own cause, giving the Anti's fuel

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

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    Although many citizen's showed up today at gun ranges, gun shows, capitals, and other places to show support for gun rights we also slit our own throats and might have trampled any ground we gained.

    The Anti's will show gun owners as incompetent and dangerous, too dangerous to have guns. They already have portrayed gun owners as a fringe, minority with their use of "gun culture".



    Notice the title of the article isn't "Many gun owners show up to support the 2nd Amendment" since today was the day gun owners were going to band together and show up their support of the 2nd Amendment, but rather gun owners shooting themselves and others. The press will have a field day with this and start airing every story of gun owners making mistakes.



    We don't need anti's to make us look like fools, sadly we can do it ourselves.




    http://www.startribune.com/nation/187611351.html


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  2. BulletArc47

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    The Media...

    The media is looking for everything an anything to give Obama's gun-restriction more credibility.

    This makes me sick.
     
  3. sonick808

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    yep. The media has been ordered by the powers that be to play an instrumental role in culling all of the anti-efforts and presenting them as a united front, even if they aren't. Janet Napolitono pretty much said outright that the media is going to bind the grassroots anti efforts together.

    We need to fight fight fight and never relent, these are crucial times
     
  4. stickhauler

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    I kinda doubt the media had to be pushed too much to report everything possible negative about firearms and firearm owners, and to ignore any and all positive stories. They're all flaming liberals anyway!
     
  5. MistWolf

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    Yeah? All the rapes, robberies and assaults committed at "Occupy" rallies didn't hurt their cause any
     
  6. Pointshoot

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    Go around the mainstream media. They will never give pro 2A a break, its not their program.

    There's no emphasis in the media on the many instances where the mere fact that a law abiding citizen was armed PREVENTED a violent crime. There's no mention that violent crime rates have fallen over the last 20 years. There's no mention of the NRA's Eddie Eagle program that teaches young children about gun safety.

    How to go around media ? Face to face positive experiences with people. Take people out shooting. Make sure they are made aware of safety procedures. Be the sensible face of the 2A.
    People know things aren't right in the country. They feel a sense of unease. They wonder about the economy and the debt and where the nation is headed. There's a rational desire to be able to protect themselves. Call it having 'sensible insurance'. Talk to them about this in a sensible, calm manner.

    The 2A will never get a break from the media. NRA and other pro 2A organizations - and all of us - need to know how to better communicate among ourselves and to others.
     
  7. ZeSpectre

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    They would do that no matter what. The BEST thing we can do, as a group, is to be seen in public and with our legislators so that they meet the real "us" not the "us" that the managed media is working so hard to portray.

    I often wonder if if the same conversations about "shooting ourselves in the foot" took place during the civil rights movement(s).

    After all, Rosa Parks didn't "need" to sit in the front of that bus and make all that fuss.
     
  8. KTXdm9

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    Agreed. The media is never going to report on this in an unbiased manner. The worst thing we can do is sit on our hands and let the antis and their puppets in the media be the ONLY voice the fence-sitters are hearing.
     
  9. Rocketmedic

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    By the same token, gun owners, we need to be seen to police ourselves. Tonight, on my radio, we had three shootings. In less than 12 hours, in one city, in Oklahoma. We need to get a handle on violence, and we need to reduce gun-owner incompetence, because that's what these articles are about.
     
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  11. dab102999

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    Even though I don't know all the details on these firearm mishaps I do notice a lot people who don't use guns but have dads or grandpas gun in the closet are bringing them out and selling them. I have seen on three different ocassions ( and I am avoiding the maheem at gun stores now) of people coming in with guns to sell and they are loaded.
     
  12. Bigkrackers

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    The media doesn't need to be ordered. For the last 50 years every level of the main stream media, including the journalism schools, have been occupied by liberal progressives who gladly push their agenda.

    As for gun owners hurting the cause, you are probably correct. But, how many new gun owners are now out there? People who were on the fence about owning a gun or never gave it much thought, who went out and bought a gun in a panic because of the fear that they might not be able to in the near future. These people where probably not raised around guns and have probably never taken any kind of firearms safety course.

    There was a front page picture in the Star Trib. yesterday that showed a new gun owner holding his new XD - I think it was - with his finger wrapped around the trigger. He bought it because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to get one down the road because of bans.
     
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    We're there any car accidents yesterday?
     
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    I agree with these comments. One thing that I think the NRA is missing is to push gun training. In Texas the 10 hour class and range qualification is fine, however, for a person to actually carry more training and practice is necessary. If the government is interested in reducing gun violence, they they should be supporting gun safety and tactical classes at reduced cost. The NRA was absolutely correct, the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. I want the good guy to be better than the bad guy in usage of that gun, I also want the good guy to not be hampered by arbitary restrictions (like 10 round mag).
     
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    I remember the last time i went to Cabelas to sell a gun, they check every gun at the door to ensure it isn't loaded. I asked him "has anyone actually ever brought in a loaded gun?" He looked at me and said, "you'd be surprised."

    I agree these idiots are making us all look like a bunch of reckless buffoons. I think these incidents have tarnished an otherwise fantastic day. I'm sure Bloomberg and company will gloat over it endlessly.

    No excuses for unsafe gun handling. If you have no experience with firearms and find grandpas old shotgun in the closet, then call someone who does have experience to examine it for you. We have way too much to lose to let these people ruin our progress. Sometimes i wonder if the anti's have a point about mandatory safety training.
     
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    How many people were killed in Chicago, New York City, and Washington DC on the same day. You are fighting a losingcause if you think the media can be convinced to report truthfully. The ends justifies the means with unprincipled people.
     
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    This is very sad, and it probably has alot to do with new gun owners with no training, i am just a hunter with no real connection to "assault" rifles or hand guns, but i think the principles are similar. When you pull the trigger it goes bang. Common sense is just not that common anymore.
     
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    I wonder what the statistical mean, adjusted for attendance is for ND's at gunshows on a weekend in the USA. Is this a statistical trend?

    THIS type of thinking is how we fight the libs in the press.
     
  19. TNBilly

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    Tcruse.... no one does it more than the NRA - work within the organization including having services to offer would be in order?

    OP.... you're already defeated if you judge your success or failure from the enemy, and yes almost entirely the media is the enemy. We're not going to succeed in preserving our right if we do it worrying about their sensibilities.
     
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  21. we are not amused

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    According to many on this site, anytime a gun owner does not immediately agree with any anti-gun proposals, we are "hurting our cause".

    As pointed out, Liberal Progressives have been dominating the News Media and Journalism Schools for over 50 years.

    The News Media is not neutral, fair, or balanced. It is biased and agenda driven and will not give gun owners a fair hearing.

    This does not mean we should give up, but it does mean that compromise and trying to get the news media to like us is a pipe dream.

    It does not help when gun owners whine about how other gun owners make them look bad.
     
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    If they do make us look bad we do need to step up and find a way to stop the nonsense. If we don't address the idiots that contribute to the media frenzy then we are guilty of accepting the bad without trying to find a way to eliminate the problem. We become the problem. We need to help prevent the stupidy that is out there whether it is by training, education, tutoring or whatever. If we pretend there aren't idiots out there then the media will make us all look like fools. We have enough to overcome without "our own" piling on with stupid and careless acts. Teach safety from the day kids are old enough to understand what safety means. I do believe that we are more safety conscious than the Average American but we come across as careless yahoos who are insensitive and selfish. How we are portrayed is no where near what we truly are.
     
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    "I agree with these comments. One thing that I think the NRA is missing is to push gun training."

    Years ago, before the 68 gun laws, that's what the NRA did. My high school had a rifle team, and NRA instructors came to our school to teach gun safety. Also, our shooting coach/math teacher was an NRA hunter/safety instructor. Since that time, however, the NRA has been forced to take on Second Amendment rights issues.
     
  24. CTPhil

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    Exactly.
     
  25. Pointshoot

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    About 100 people per day DIE in the USA in auto accidents.


    Time to ban cars ?





    P.S. - you would have to go back over statistics from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to get the average figures. They have varied from year to year.
     
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