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I finally looked at my collection and decided I need a gun safe. Also the swife and I are about ready to start trying to have a kid and she "explained" her discomfort at not having a safe and a baby.

So any way I want a safe that could handle about 12-15 rifles and a few handguns( about 6) along with important documents, jewelry, and a few old coins.

I also want some fire proofing for atleast and hour to three.

A little google came up with
http://www.patriotsafe.com/price-list.html
and
http://www.gunsafes.com/Patriot-12-24-Gun-Safe.html

which both offer free shiping

Anyone have any dealing with patriot safes or the patriot series of Cannon safes?
 
Here are a couple things to remember when buying a safe:

1) No one ever wished they bought a smaller safe. No matter how big a safe you get, some day, you'll wish it was bigger (except when you have to move it!).

2) Fire proof safes use some type of cement for fire retardation. Cement plus steel makes for one very heavy combination - especially if you heed number 1 above. Make sure the floor where you put the safe is strong enough to support it.
 
it would be on a 3000 psi slab. I only have 5 long arms and 2 hand guns, so I was taking my collection doubling.
 
Check the fine print on free shipping, especially a large very heavy safe. It may be just delivered to your driveway.
I recently purchased a 400 pound safe, and paid the extra $$ to have it put in the house where I want it.
It's a fire safe, and because of it's weight, no need to bolt it down.
 
I have a Cannon and like it. As previously posted you never wish you got smaller. 2 men and a hand cart can easily move a 900 lb safe, so bolt it down. National and Liberty also make fine safes.
 
I'm not sure why anybody would go through the hassle of getting a heavy safe and then opting not to bolt it down. Bolting the safe down seems like the part having the least hassle. There was a relatively recent case in California where thieves carted off a fully loaded gun safe that weighed 1200+ pounds. The safe was on a second story of a self-storage facility. The thieves got the safe on pipes and pushed it. Slowly, I'm sure, but they did it.
 
Roadwild;

Please do a search here under several possible headings: RSC, a1abdj, true safe, or CB900F. A1abdj & I are professionals in the industry & have posted many, many, times here on THR concerning the subjects of "safe" and RSC.

For what it's worth, Browning, Heritage, Champion, and most especially Liberty do not built U.L. rated safes. They build RSC's. You should know the difference in order to make an informed buying decision.

900F
 
I have a Liberty, could not be happier.

Bolt it down, hide it in a closet, load it up...its not going anywhere with your average thief(s)

$1500 is well worth the peace of mind.
 
+1 for the bolting down. I have a cannon that weighs about 600lbs. I can move it all over the place by my self with out much effort. Slides real easy on carpet. It only took two of us to moved it up stairs, just slid it right up some 4x4's and there you go. It now sits in my closet bolted on all corners. I could easly see how two able bodies could get it down the stairs and out the door with out much effort or concern with trashing my stairwell.

so BOLT IT DOWN DUMMY
 
Another vote for Liberty safes.

Don't go for the electronic lock crap. Get the old key+combination.

Mine weighs 665 lbs. empty, and it's not bolted to anything.

Expect to spend $1K, it's worth it. It's not just for your guns, it's for your peace of mind.
 
I have a Browning, and love it. As previously stated, it cannot be too big, only too small. Mine weighs 955 pounds empty, is not bolted down, but definitely should be. Fireproof or not, paper will not last through a fire, you'll open the safe to find ashes. DO NOT get anything with electronics, no keypads, or biometrics. Unless of course you like supporting your local locksmith. Also, if you can find one, get one that has a combination you can change. Also, as previously stated, expect to spend $1000 or more(cheaper than replacing your valuables). Mine was on sale locally, a little less than $900. The same thing in the bigger SG stores is $1000 more, so take your time and shop around. It's a purchase that will last you a lifetime.
 
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Please do a search here under several possible headings: RSC, a1abdj, true safe, or CB900F. A1abdj & I are professionals in the industry & have posted many, many, times here on THR concerning the subjects of "safe" and RSC.
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What he said.

The little bit that I'll add is this:

There are a number of people in this thread and elsewhere, that will tell you how happy they are with whatever safe they are using. Keep in mind that the vast majority of these people have never actually used their safes.

They may be using them to hold their guns, but that's not using them. Safes are designed to protect against brute force attack and fire. Until you've been a victim, you won't really know how happy or unhappy you will be with your safe.

American Security(Amsec) BF6032 is what i've got and love it. paid $875 shipped.
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Those days are long over. Wholesale pricing on those safe is almost double that figure. That was a great buy.
 
I have an 825lb Diamond back, love it... I got it for 800 plus $200 shipping. Took 7 of us to get her inside with a Uhaul Dolly. Total piece of mind now. Best money I spent in all of 08'!:D
 
Costco sells Liberty safes (online). I caught mine on sale and got great deal compared to local dealers.

Free delivery, but paid an extra $100 to get it moved upstairs, best money I ever spent.
 
I have a Libery RSC and it's been a great safe. although, it's never been attacked or set on fire, soooo...
If it is attacked, I have sensors hooked to my home alarm system that will let me know it's being fiddled with. That will get the cops and me rolling.

-Mark.
 
CB900F,
Bad info:(
"For what it's worth, Browning, Heritage, Champion, and most especially Liberty do not built U.L. rated safes. They build RSC's. You should know the difference in order to make an informed buying decision."

Browning DOES build U.L. rated safes.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/gunsafes/detail.asp?value=002F&cat_id=160&type_id=42934
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Q. What do you mean by “not all gun safes are really safes?”

A. Many “gun safes” being sold at hardware chains and large marts are simply metal cabinets masquerading as safes. Don’t expect them to go out of their way to explain the difference. But for your own protection a good starting point is to make sure a safe has the Underwriter's Laboratory Security Container Rating. This UL rating is the absolute minimum! Your safe MUST have it – and anything less is not going to offer much protection. No matter how the manufacturer “rates” their safes, without the UL rating you shouldn't consider it a viable gun safe. All our safes have this rating, but at Browning that is not enough. Browning uses the UL rating as just a starting point for security, so we exceed this rating with every safe we sell.
http://www.browning.com/library/infonews/detail.asp?id=148
 
Tom S. is right. Get the biggest one you can afford.

That being said, I have a Liberty and it is great. I only wish it was bigger.
 
CB900F,
Bad info
"For what it's worth, Browning, Heritage, Champion, and most especially Liberty do not built U.L. rated safes. They build RSC's. You should know the difference in order to make an informed buying decision."

Browning DOES build U.L. rated safes.
http://www.browning.com/products/cat...&type_id=42934
3.
Q. What do you mean by “not all gun safes are really safes?”

A. Many “gun safes” being sold at hardware chains and large marts are simply metal cabinets masquerading as safes. Don’t expect them to go out of their way to explain the difference. But for your own protection a good starting point is to make sure a safe has the Underwriter's Laboratory Security Container Rating. This UL rating is the absolute minimum! Your safe MUST have it – and anything less is not going to offer much protection. No matter how the manufacturer “rates” their safes, without the UL rating you shouldn't consider it a viable gun safe. All our safes have this rating, but at Browning that is not enough. Browning uses the UL rating as just a starting point for security, so we exceed this rating with every safe we sell.
http://www.browning.com/library/info...ail.asp?id=148
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Browning is being very misleading, and CB900F is technically correct.

Browning does not have a UL safe rating on any of their safes. They have a UL Residential Security Container rating. What's important here is the difference between what UL calls a "safe" and what UL calls a "container".

The RSC rating involves a 5 minute attack using a hammer and a screwdriver.

The burglary ratings UL offers involve a minimum of 15 minutes involving all common hand tools (sledges, pry bars, mauls, wedges), power tools (drills, sawzalls, grinders, concrete saws), and pressure applying devices (porta powers).

The only safes company building a gun safe with a UL burglary rating is AMSEC. Graffunder could get a UL rating on 2 of their lines if they ever chose to submit them for testing.

Don't let the fancy words fool you. Talk to any professional safe tech (one that actually drills them open), and they can explain the vast differences.
 
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