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Take the cabinet that you're going to reinforce and stick it in the corner of a closet. It will be inconspicuous in there, but will arouse undue curiosity if left out in the open. Consider putting a lock on the closet door also. Hope I helped.
 
incase anyone still cares

I got the cabinet last night and took measurements and have some plans for reinforcing it from the inside to make it more rigid(especially the door and hinge area) It's no safe but safes are $$$ and I don't have $$$ right now. My room has a nice lock on the door and I'll be carrying during the party, mom even double-checked that I would (It's a Christmas miracle, since shes a fencesitter leaning towards anti) I just don't get it sometimes. I have a cheapo IWB holster I'll be using. The cabinet will be in a locked room as well so that should be enough security. I've meet the cousin's BF and despite his convictions (ADW and armed robbery) seems to have grown-up, he's doing the long sleeves to cover the gang tatoos thing. Maybe becoming a father will help him. But I will er towards caution for now. When he's been a productive member of society for a longggggggggggg while I'll start to trust him.
 
Lots of good advice here I think. Say a prayers, be prepared and lock everything up or leave with a trustworthy friend. Take care and happy holidays. Imma hippie myself.. Go PHISH! :D
 
If you park your car in the garage and don't plan on using it that day lock it all up in the truck and be sure not to leave your car keys laying around.... Last place the ex-con will look is in your car at home.
 
Call the police! Unwanted guests are criminal trespassers and they will remove them.

Sorry grow a set. I don't care if they are relatives they would not be welcome in my home and would be told so.
You can pick you friends and invite them you can not pick your relatives but you can ignore them.

I second that. They would not set foot in my house!
 
Gezzer said it

"....grow a pair", it's your house, who said you need to make room for rejects who leach off of others? You are a victim if you allow others to victimize you.
 
george 29, please read the entire post please. It's not my house, I just live here. If it were my house they'd be told they ain't welcome along with their mother. I'm stuck with improvising and doing what I can of a bad situation. I'd protest and not be here, but then if, God forbid, they did something to my family members I'd feel guilty for not being there to help.

Merry Christmas Everyone.
 
Sorry if I came across too strong...Merry Christmas, and hope you solve this one. Cheers Buddy.
 
kung fuu hippy

i agree with don't trust him for a long time if ever but don't be afraid to let him connect a lil. i went over to the dark side for a long time and much of what helped me cross back over had to do with good folks reaching out and helping me fit back in a lil at a time. and i was truly a scurvy dog.
 
Sorry I'm Late

Don't know how many weapons we're talking about here, but if I'd seen this thread sooner, and been awake at the same time, I might have suggested taking your machinery a) to a local shop for "cleaning" over the weekend or b) to the range, if they have storage.

Otherwise, there have been some reasonable suggestions already in the thread.

However, you have a significant security problem. You have someone with knowledge of your possessions whose concept of security is pretty broken.

Now you have people outside your control and outside your home with knowledge of your valuables. These outsiders can be counted on to talk.

You may even get one of them griping to his friend, "yeah, I went there for Christmas, and Hippie hid all his guns, like I would take them or something."

Your risk factors have multiplied. Your security status has changed.

You might want to act on that revised status.
 
Arfin,
yep, all I can say is too little too late, not you, but my mother. She has realized why telling is a bad thing. It took a little explaining, my mom doesn't have a criminal mind and so having some guns didn't seam very valueable knowledge. When I explained that crooks get guns by stealing them or blackmarket stuff (straw, theft, smuggle, etc.) and so that knowledge is as good as gold to a crook.
Cassandrasdaddy,
Yep, were trying to remain a family. But the trust thing will take time, I'm not sure how much. And so far they've been doing good (a few months out) We're basically removing temptation of returning to bad habits buy making sure the bad stuff is locked up. We don't trust um yet, but also we don't want them to have the temptation, you know outta sight, outta mind.

Don't worry, If someone asks to see my guns I'll simply say, "you know there are quite a few children running around here. Do you think it'd be smart to do that today?" Unless it's one of the two fellons, then I'll say,"You know, I'm just not comportable breaking the law like that. I can't allow you access to them, even for a minute." then I'll change the subject. I'll avoid being flatout rude, but I can be.
 
I used to rent a room and my door had a deadbolt instead of a handle.
 
Don't forget to put the prescription drugs away somewhere safe as well. Druggies will rifle through your bathroom cabinets in search of the good stuff.
 
Question

Would it be a felony to even have a felon in the same house as firearms.
I think here in Oregon they can't even be near a live round.
Of course the one you pack is safe because they would only get to it over their own dead body, I know I don't always make sence. But you catch my drift, right?
I would recomend keeping them all over at a trusted friends house for the duration of the felons stay.
Just my opinion. YMMV, Etc.
 
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Unless it's one of the two fellons, then I'll say,"You know, I'm just not comportable breaking the law like that. I can't allow you access to them, even for a minute." then I'll change the subject. I'll avoid being flatout rude, but I can be.

Wow, your a much nicer guy than I am cause the first thing that popped into my head when you said that was. " YOu can access them but your gonna be on the business end of a loaded one if you try"
 
Showing them to a felon, or leaving them unlocked would be illegal. having them locked in a gun cabinet that is bolted to studs inside a closet and the bolts locked up seperate along with the ammo should be secure enough, and if they were stolen they'd be far from functional.

Yeah, if it wern't family I'd be a real jerk if they asked to see um or brought them up. But I have to practice some small amount of diplomacy while they're here.

Yep, in preparations for Santa Claus, and them cookies and milk are left out, all drugs, jewelery, firearms, (no alcohol or tobacco to worry over) are locked up. Keyed locks are on all doors to places that should be off limits to children and them. And I've made sure that my handgun/holster will be inconspicuouswith what I'm wearing tomorrow. Slacks with a belt and suitcoat seams to work very well. Maybe I should dress nicer more often, it'd make ccw easier:neener:

So Merry Christmas to all;)

p.s. if I never post here again assume the worst :D
 
Well, I'm alive

Everyone came and was plesent except for our socially challenged uncle who thinks he should always be the center of the conversation. Cousin and BF were nice and plesent. We've got hope that they're going down the right path. Having locks on the doors worked great for children. I'd not be happy if one found something they shouldn't (Not gun stuff, but our house isn't child proof since no children live here)

One note, Socially challenged Uncle (by marrage) brought up that I had fierearms, it was out in the backyard, not in front of everyone. He asked if he could see them since I have "old army guns" I explained that it would be very stupied to go show him guns with chidlren and fellons running around. I also mentioned that I didn't want that info to become common knowledge, and why. I explained to him in computer terms since that's his thing. And invited him to go shooting sometime, and to just give me a call. Seamed to work. The aunt (not his wife) has contracted me to take care of a possum that's been harassing her cat. New thread, I think a pellet gun will work...

So it was a good evening, no problems. Thanks all for the help and advice.

AND MERRY CHRISTMAS
 
+1 on what SoCalShooter said

Don't let them into your home! What right do cons have to be in your "safety bubble" I say be packin' and send 'em packin'!!!
 
Instead of a pellet gun try a hav-a-hart trap with an over ripe orange cut in half for bait. You can let the possum go in the woods a few miles away. The possum belongs outside, the cat doesn't.

Domestic cats in the US are an invasive predator when they are let outside and are a major contributor to declining songbird populations.

from http://www.owra.org/cateffect.htm

In Virginia, Dr. Joseph Mitchell, an ecologist at the University of Richmond, and his colleague, Dr. Ruth Beck, conducted a study using their own cats. During the 11 months of their test, their 5 cats killed at least 187 animals, mostly small mammals. Of special interest to the researchers was the impact on songbirds, which are in decline in the state - they conservatively estimate that domestic cats each kill at least 26 birds each year in urban areas or 83 in rural areas, representing over 26 million birds in Virginia alone. Mitchell says "The figures may be conservative, because the study only counted confirmed kills - not cases in which cats ate their victims or left the bodies hidden." [JC Mitchell, 1992. "Free-ranging domestic cat predation on native vertebrates in rural and urban Virginia." Virginia Journal of Science, Vol 43 (1B):107-207.]


Many humane societies and rehabilitation centers doing education, quote the following for a country-wide estimate of the impact of owned cats on birds. Richard Stallcup of the Point Reyes Bird Observatory estimated that of the 55 million domestic cats in the US, excluding Hawaii and Alaska, some 10% never go outside, and another 10% are too old or slow to catch anything. Of the remaining 44 million, a conservative estimate is that 1 in 10 cats kills a bird a day - this would yield a daily toll of 4.4 million birds - or 1.6 billion cat-killed birds in the US each year. ["Cats take a heavy toll on songbirds / A reversible catastrophe," Observer, Spring/Summer 1991, 18-29, Point Reyes Bird Observatory; Native Species Network, Vol 1 Issue 1, Fall 1995.] Research has shown that rural cats, with more wildlife contact, kill many more, with the result that the feral cat population, most of which is rural, has an even more significant impact on the bird population. Alley Cat Allies estimates that there are 60 million feral cats in the United States. Combining feral and domestic cat predation, it is estimated that more than 3 billion birds are killed annually.
 
Bang "What the hell? You shot Cousin Crackhead!

Ahh! You just made my day---funniest thing I've ever read on this board.

Also, this is an issue that I have to deal with constantly because not only do I own firearms, but I also have some serious health issues which require that I take Rx meds that are generally desired by the undesirable.

While most people think I'm crazy for being quiet about my medications, my uncle, who lost his leg in vietnam, deals with a similar pain problem and is equally stingy with his private Rx's because he knows full well what people will do to get them.

A friend of mine has an aunt that, every time she comes over, the first thing she does is excuse herself to the washroom, where she proceeds to scramble her way throughevery medicine cabinent she can find for Rx's to get high off of.

The sad thing is is that drug addicts are our friends and family but those of us who are not addicts need to protect ourselves from those who don't have so much discretion. Also, most people think the scariest thing about an addict is for them to be all wackest out on dope and crazy, but in reality the scariest time for the outside world is when an addict is in withdrawl from their chosen poison--they will do anything and everything to get their drug.

A word to the wise---the best way to tell if a drug addict is lying to you is to check and see if their mouth is moving.
 
Glad it all worked out! But that was just one day. Utilize the security you currently have and DO NOT take it for granted. There are still 364 days left after the event for these people to come back and rip you off. I am not referring to your relatives either. Drug addicts and felons have drug addict and felon friends who will take any information they can get and turn it to their advantage. Next, skip a couple of your next gun purchases and combine them to get an entry level safe. By entry level, I mean in the $700-$1000 range. I started with a cabinet, now it hold ammo. I moved to a $400 home depot special, now it holds my less expensive overstock weapons and project guns. My new safe, well, it would be easier to move the house than move or break the safe. Good luck in the future security of your weapons and investments!
 
Thanks for that suggestion. I will be purchasing a safe when I've got the money. I figure that the average smash and grab will be slowed by the cabinet. I've be talking with my friend who does metal work and discussed several ideas. One is to make a reinforcing frame for it that will make it more rigid to prying or forcing from the wall. This will all be free thanks to his line of work and interest in guns. But the real solution is a bomb shelter/sistern conversion that is unknown to all but immediate family. I need to marry a rich woman! Are there any single rich female THRs out there?
 
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