Gun seizures in Nassau county, NY

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GUN-SEIZURE LAWSUIT
By PHILIP MESSING
ARMS CONFLICT: Gabriel Razzano claims Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (pictured) had cops illegally confiscate his guns a day after he visited her office.


Last updated: 7:27 am
July 21, 2008
Posted: 4:42 am
July 21, 2008

An outspoken Long Island gun owner's home was raided by Nassau County detectives, who seized two dozen weapons he lawfully owns just one day after Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's office made a 911 call about him.

Freeport resident Gabriel Razzano claims he was targeted in the spring raid for his "unpopular" political beliefs.

He's now filed a $5 million federal lawsuit against the Nassau PD and McCarthy, charging they joined forces to strip him of his guns unconstitutionally.


The case pits Razzano against McCarthy, the most outspoken gun-control advocate in Congress. A crazed gunman murdered her husband in the infamous 1993 Long Island Rail Road Massacre.


The flap arose on March 19, when Razzano visited McCarthy's Garden City office to discuss an article about an illegal immigrant who was deported but was later nabbed in Freeport for the attempted murder of a cop.


"The office staff felt that Razzano's behavior was disruptive and threatening," said Lt. Kevin Smith, a police spokesman.


Razzano's home was raided the next morning.

:banghead: :fire: :banghead:

This is soo ridiculous. What do you guys think about all this? I was listening to this on the radio and couldnt believe what I was hearing. The ONLY time I ever listened closely to Fox news. :neener:


I dont seem to find it when I searched, but if this has been posted please close it down.
 
I am too shocked for words.

I thought this was the United States of America... apparently some animals are more equal than others though...

Carolyn McCarthy and the police who participated in this raid should be in jail- even civil damages aren't enough to assuage this injustice.
 
Carolyn McCarthy and the police who participated in this raid should be in jail
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- Thats what (Glen Beck I think)was saying. Anyone who participated in the raid is personally destroying the 2nd ammendment.
 
Wow. I'd like to know what his actions were in the office...but if he was so disruptive and threatening why wasn't he arrested then?

I'd like to see the warrant. I wonder what passed for probable cause here.
 
All I can say is I lived on long island in nassau for 20 years and could not be happier living in florida now.So sad its a great place to live if not for the draconian gun laws and taxes.
 
Doesn't NY have registration? What's the old line, registration before confiscation?

This is a topic under discussion at Democratic u right now, and no one can really figure out what if anything he did, other than waste mrs. mccarthy's staffs time. I didn't realize that elected officials had so much say in their own schedules. She should be jailed along with the cops involved, they didn't seize his property the day of the complaint, they seized them the next day, meaning he wasn't a threat to anyone. Also, I don't think he was ever charged with anything.
 
Yes new york has registration for all pistols.I know b/c my father is 2 years later still trying to get his range permit.
 
Another instance showing that the police are not our friends.
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Listen.... Dont say it like that you will give them something to talk about.. Not ALL cops are our friends, but there are plenty out there that ARE!
 
"The office staff felt that Razzano's behavior was disruptive and threatening,"
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Disruptive *may* warrant a *ticket* for disturbing the peace. Threatening? In what way, precisely? That's a travesty of justice - something you'd believe the SS or gestapo would have done, but not something in the United States of America. :mad:

I hope he gets a judgment for his millions, and I hope it's joint & several liability, and I hope he pursues McCarthy solely to satisfy his claim.
 
Incredible. I'm absolutely stunned at the misuse of their positions. I don't blame the officers right off the bat however, they might not've known the circumstances surrounding the raid and were possibly misinformed intentionally. Too many variables to consider. But one thing is for sure, he was definately targeted unlawfully. What a disgusting display.
 
Anyone who participated in the raid is personally destroying the 2nd ammendment.
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And the 1st (and 4th, obviously). It sounds like an attempt at intimidation following a disagreement with his representative. Even without the gun seizure that's ridiculous.

I don't know what the laws are in a place like that, but is there any legitimate reason for confiscating his guns when he isn't an immediate threat to anyone and hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime? I wouldn't think that would be legal even if the cops were mislead about the reason for the raid.
 
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I'm not sure I should have placed any blame with the police, but mrs mccarthy certainly used her office to get someone who was giving her a hard time removed. The police could have been a little more professional though and asked "why?" I would think that in an instance like this they would have plenty of opportunities to stop and ask their superiors why they are confiscating his weapons but not charging him, and what he did to warrant it.
 
dewage83 said
The ONLY time I ever listened closely to Fox news.
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I guess there are a few liberals with guns, :eek: , they should listen more to Fox News, as they would learn a lot about fair and balanced reporting. And not just agenda driven babel...
 
Officers should be prosecuted.

THe officers involved in this gun grab should be prosecuted and fired, I say thi9s because don't you need a warrent to seize personal property? Police dont just go to an address and confiscate guns on the word of a dispatcher or watch commander, a warrent must be issued for officers to go to a location where no crime is in progress to confiscate personal property. Unless a warrent was issued (somehow illegally because no crime was commeted) and the officers followed standard procedure is the only instance where these officers shouldn't be disciplined.

If no warrent was issued and the police confiscated this mans guns on the word of a watch commander or the congress womans office they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. What they did was illegal, Police and public servants are not above the law, they do not get a one free pass card to slide on illegal activities. Ignorance of the law is not a defence of the law eathier, even if they claim they didn't know what they where doing is wrong its no excuse.

Representatives elected to congress must take an oath to protect and defend the constitution someone needs to take a copy of the Oath of Office of Congress down to Carolyn McCarthy's office along with a copy of the Constitution, highlight the 2nd and 4th amendments and ask her

WHAT THE F**K DOESN'T SHE UNDERSTAND.
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I guess there are a few liberals with guns, , they should listen more to Fox News, as they would learn a lot about fair and balanced reporting. And not just agenda driven babel...
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Riddle me this . . . Riddle me that . . .
Why must Fox news advertise that their "fair and balanced" reporting even when its obviously they have a bias. Sorry I just cant trust anything that has to remind me every 5 minutes that their "Fair and Balanced". sureeeeee.

Fun Thing to Do #523: Take a shot everytime time Bill O'Riely can say "Fair and Balanced" or "No Spin Zone".
You should now have alcohol poisoning at the end of the episode.
 
But I'm sure you well know, McCarthy's people don't call the local station house, they get a hold of one of the Political Police chiefs, who pass it along to the semi political underling, that gets in touch with the station chief, who passes it to his EO who calls a Leui, that tells the desk Sargent that finally dispatches the Patrol Officers.

I'm in no way a cheerleader for the LEO's, but this comes from lofty heights in the departments, by the time it gets to the street officers this guy probably sounds like the brother of OBL. You wouldn't really expect McCarthy's people to talk to a peon Desk Sargent, would you? I could be completely wrong, maybe they did call the local station, but I can't shake the feeling that McC.& Co. feel they are to good to have to deal with the common rif raf, and would lodge their complaint much farther up the ladder.
 
Let's see, the guy tries to use his 1st Amendment free speech right, and in retaliation they violate this 2nd Amendment and 4th Amendment (unreasonable search and seizures) rights. I'm guessing that before long they will torture him into confessing and testifying against himself, thus violating his 5th Amendment right, and find some cruel and unusual way to punish him also, bringing in the 6th Amendment.

Rep. McCarthy = King George?
 
Ok, ok, Carolyn McCarthy is the congresscritter we all love to hate.

I agree with most everything said here, IF the "victim" only expressed disruptive political behavior.

We don't know that he didn't make threats, as in, "I'll come back and shoot all of you Commies." If he did, that would make the police action somewhat reasonable.

OTOH, if he did, I would assume he would have been charged with communicating a threat.

Just my $0.02 worth, having been on the other side of the badge.
 
What was his gun crime? Doesn't she have security in her office? If he truly commit a crime, then wouldn't you say the police reacted in a timely manner(sarcasm)?

Apparently you can be deemed a danger to society pretty easily.

One last thing, was he in favor of the attempted murder, or in favor of the cop? I would assume that he was on the cops side, which in turn really could make this interest, considering the actions of the law enforcement involved.
 
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