gun show "no ccw" sign ?

[kurtmax]

And dont insult yourself by saying you would be ok with seeing someone who is completely blind (dog, stick, sunglasses, whatever) carrying a fully loaded cocked 1911 in the small of their back.

If we are talking about 'totally blind': What do you suppose a blind person does to protect themselves then? Do you propose a knife? Martial arts? Just standing around?

I certainly wouldn't carry a firearm unconcealed if blind, and it would be something that still fires if pressed against someone. Honestly I wouldn't care if a cane/dog blind person had a firearm in the small of their back. I'd question the utility, but wouldn't feel threatened (Although being blind might make it easier for someone to snatch an unconcealed firearm, and SOB carry is a good way to get paralyzed as well).

 

[PT1911]

I am not saying there should be no source of defense.. i would probably go with a dog if I was blind as I wouldnt want the worry of shooting someone as a result of my handicap. and as far as carrying methods go, I would rather be paralyzed than castrated, though, I see no way of an accidental discharge, while using a smal of the back carry, paralyzing. as while using an in the pants holster the gun is pointed downward and already positioned below the spine. An accidental discharge would likely go through my pants and into the ground though possibly into a cheek. now if I carried the gun upside down in a small of the back carry, then perhaps that would have some merit. if someone has been paralyzed while carrying a gun in positioned in the small of their back, they MUST have been carrying it incorrectly or with an inappropriate holster or no holster alltogether...

 

[divemedic]

I particularly love how people claim that they do not want the government to interfere in a private contract, all the while ignoring that the entire contract is full of government interference.

When you form a corporation, you are using government interference to shield yourself from liability, to protect your assets. A corporation is a fictional entity that cannot be endowed with the rights of a person, as it is not a person. The person who owns a corporation no skin in the game, apart from his investment in the company, so the counter argument that the corporation gets rights from the stockholders does not hold water- buy 100 shares of Sears and see if you get to enter and inspect "your" stores.

Using a government created fictional entity to deny me my rights, and then telling me that the corporation has the same rights that a person does is dishonest.

 

[deadin]

OK, here’s a challenge for you guys that are bloviating about how a business or gun show doesn’t have the right to require all guns be unloaded and tied as a requirement for entry.
Put your money where your mouth is and come on out to our show here in the Seattle area (it’s held at the local fair grounds). Be sure to let them know at the gate that you are carrying. (Don’t be sophomoric and try to hide that you have a loaded gun. After all, you seem to be proud of the fact.)
When they refuse you entry and/or ask you to leave the premises, tell them to go to Hell as they don’t have a legal leg to stand on.
Maybe, just maybe, you can set some new precedence and case law in the court system. You might even be able to make some money from a lawsuit for false arrest on a trespass charge.

 

[divemedic]

I never said that they cannot ask you to leave. I said that it is not against the law, and I am not going to obey the sign. It is not illegal to ignore a sign, but if they DO notice that I am carrying, they may ask me to leave. I don't have a problem with that, I just don't think that whether or not something is legal for me to do should be based on the whims of a property owner. That doesn't mean that I have to be an ass about it.


Running into ANY business and shouting "I have a gun." is a bad idea.
Go anywhere and announce that you have a gun and see if you are not asked to leave. That is why it is a CONCEALED weapons permit. Refusing to leave when you are asked to leave is a completely different prospect. Even if you are asked to leave because you are black, refusing to do so will get you arrested. That does not mean that the business is not going to face a lawsuit.

 

[deadin]

OK, your premise is that they have no right to deny you entrance based on your legally carrying a loaded gun. Therefore it shouldn’t make any difference if it is concealed or not as long as it is holstered and stays that way.
We have open carry here, so there should be no reason for you to have to hide what you are doing. Just strap in on your hip and dare them to say anything. I think the outcome will be the same……You will be denied admittance and asked to leave the premises.
The only way you would be able to get in is to fundamentally lie. You know they don’t want loaded guns, you choose to ignore this, so the second you step through the door you are trespassing. Whether you are caught or not, it’s still a crime. (Or are you one of those that believe it against the law only if you’re caught?) I can’t say I admire this attitude.

 

[wyocarp]

Whether you are caught or not, it’s still a crime.

That's my point entirely. The crime (in Wyoming) is not the wearing of a gun either openly or concealed, it is the creation of a law that is opposed to the state law that is a crime (in Wyoming).

The gun shows here are mostly on State property. It is not their property to have any say in the matter.

 

[deadin]

it is the creation of a law that is opposed to the state law that is a crime (in Wyoming).

If so, it sounds like an ideal situation for a lawsuit. Can you find a lawyer that's willing to take it on contingency? If not, maybe there's something you're missing in the statutes.

 

[hilarids]

OK, here’s a challenge for you guys that are bloviating about how a business or gun show doesn’t have the right to require all guns be unloaded and tied as a requirement for entry.

Or, even better, REALLY put your money where your mouth is and organize your own gun show and allow loaded carry. Sounds like there's probably loads of money in it to boot...!

 

[divemedic]

You know they don’t want loaded guns, you choose to ignore this, so the second you step through the door you are trespassing.

Entirely incorrect. There is not one single case in the State of Florida of a person being charged with trespassing for violating a "no weapons" sign. Not one.

 

[Art Eatman]

Round and round in circles, and getting too personal...