"Gun-Toting White Males" in race-war, says The Nation

[Prion]

JWarren did you read my entire post?

I was responding to Vermonts post. My point is that, as I mentioned, Vermont is in a sort of bubble. That it has done a lot for this country and can take care of itself but if the country went to hell and people were fleeing to Vermont or the NE for whatever reason the border would be guarded and Vermont wouldn't let all comers in. Vermont holds no high ground, just the opposite, nor did I suggest it did, just that it doesn't have a lot of the same problems as urban areas. Vermonts service to this country is also a service to itself as it is part of this country. They care about this country but can be very provincial. Outsiders are welcome as long as they leave after spending all their vacation money. Vermont has a great national record of service to this country but is also very NIMBY like those in the neighborhood described in the Nation article but on a state level. That Vermont, the user not the state, might feel differently if refugees from other states, not his neighbors, were knocking on Vermont the states door. Other states are to Vermont what other neighborhoods are to each other in big cities. Not busting any states chops, I've lived in many, they're all great and dismal in their own ways.

 

[JWarren]

ARLover,

I did read your entire post, but your follow-up clarified your meaning quite well. Thanks.

No Arguements here, and I appreciate the time that you took to explain.


-- John

 

[kilo729]

ITT: People fail to realize that racism still exists to the point in which if a lawlessness occurs, there are people who would hop in a truck with their weapons - and look to harm someone.

Threads like these make me sad to call myself a gun owner sometimes. They're just chock to the brim with hatred and bigotry.

 

[Golden Hound]

Have you read ANYTHING in this thread? I can't imagine that you have, with a post like that.

 

[JWarren]

kilo729 wrote:

ITT: People fail to realize that racism still exists to the point in which if a lawlessness occurs, there are people who would hop in a truck with their weapons - and look to harm someone.

Threads like these make me sad to call myself a gun owner sometimes. They're just chock to the brim with hatred and bigotry.

JWarren wrote: (page 1)

And remember...

An "allegation" only remains an "allegation" in the court of public opinion until it is repeated enough. Repeat any lie enough, and it becomes FACT in most people's mind.

I rest my case.


-- John

 

[ar10]

2) It seems pretty low-down to block off your community instead of helping people who have just lost their homes and everything they own. What is patriotism if it is not helping your fellow countrymen in time of need.

There's a lot wrong with that statement. Communities help themselves, particularly when every form of government collapses.
I seriously can't believe those so called countrymen were in need. That whole area was being looted by a large number of people in trucks and cars looking at is as a free give-away.

I'm don't know if this was about race; I can't read minds. But blocking off your community instead of helping people sure doesn't seem like what Jesus would do. They could have helped out and still protected themselves.

Of course it's about race. Read the title of the article then read the article. It reeks of racism.
Hoping Jesus will pull them out of a mess is a pipe dream, It won't happen.
My question to you is HOW. Civil laws left NO shortly after the storm. What was left was people protecting themselves and their property. And apparently it helped. That neighborhood is one of the few not on the government dole.

 

[notorious]

Like the ant and the grasshopper. I spend a lot of money and time ensuring that I am ready for a disaster. I have 120 days of food, water, guns, ammo, and a generator.

My neighbor spends his time and money on bling, big screen HDTV sets, and liquor. Why is it now my responsibility to give up my things to help him?

If you think it is my responsibility to help my neighbor at my own expense when he is in need, then I ask this: How many homeless people are you allowing to stay in your home? Or would Jesus only help people during a disaster?

As for me, I protect me and mine.

I would help my neighbor after I help myself to his HDTV and liquor... and maybe then I will let him sleep in my backyard and eat scraps from my MRE packets... which would be only salt and some peanut butter drippings. It's his fault for not being prepared.

 

[JWarren]

notorious wrote:

I would help my neighbor after I help myself to his HDTV and liquor... and maybe then I will let him sleep in my backyard and eat scraps from my MRE packets... which would be only salt and some peanut butter drippings. It's his fault for not being prepared.

Ahh.. well, saying and doing are two different things.

I'd agree with you completely on the quote you referenced. The people that we helped, however, were more often than not some of the elderly in our community.

But interestingly enough, on the first day of aftermath, most of the work clearing the road was done my me and two DISABLED men. This was in my father-in-law's neighborhood. We got out closer to the road, and saw several men who were just sitting outside drinking beer.

It irked me that they would be using the same road that two disabled men and I spent 10 hours clearing. Still does if I think about it....


-- John

 

[4Freedom]

Che Guevara called the Russian people "cowards" for not nuking America and bringing an end to capitalism. Yet all the peace-loving hippy and leftist war hating liberals look to the man as a saint and hero who fought against the evil capistalist regime. Geee.. I wonder what would have happened if Guevara got his way and we engaged in a nuclear war? So much for peace love and flowers. Yet, its the right wing gun lovers who are responsible for all the world's war on innocents.. LOL.

Right now we hear about a country in ME defending its right to exist against a group who vowed to wipe them off the eart. The media has potrayed the defenders as tyrants, child murderers. What would be the outcome if this country does not defend its people?

In WWII, the Ameriacns had to defend their lives against a set of nations who seeked to destroy it. Today the USA is villified for what it did in Japan, yet you never hear about what was done by the aggressor.

The media is a true form of nazi propagandism, which will affect all people and gun owners will be the first who are routed out.
It just seems like aggressors today are made the grand heroes and people who fight for justice or seen as the criminals. What kind of twisted, deranged world do we live in?

 

[ShunZu]

I'm reminded of a quote from The Good, Bad and the Ugly where Clint Eastwood told Eli Wallach (loosely quoted from old brain cells) "There are two kinds of men... those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig."

The authors of the slanted bias articles are furthering their agenda, and will have more support in the new Administration. Hopefully it won't come down to a question of how well we can use a shovel... or not.

 

[Art Eatman]

Enuf wandering about...