Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals

[bluestarlizzard]

"I know a gal with great BIG hips, does that help or hinder?
Totally unexplored area here."

i don't know about shooting from the hip, but .22 rifle offhand. hips help. we ladies used to laugh at all the boys trying to find their hips. *grin*
i guess i'll go test it tommorrow *chuckle*

 

[shattered00]

I guess the media does not understand that the vast majority of guns used in crimes in general, let alone cop slaying, are obtained illegally.

Excerpt from the FBI in Force Science News (05-09-07).

"Predominately handguns were used in the assaults on officers and all but one were obtained illegally, usually in street transactions or in thefts. In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study was obtained from gun shows. What was available "was the overriding factor in weapon choice," the report says. Only 1 offender handpicked a particular gun "because he felt it would do the most damage to a human being.""

"Researcher Davis, in a presentation and discussion for the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, noted that none of the attackers interviewed was "hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws.""

I wonder why that is? Maybe it is because they don't go through the legal means to purchase a firearm, hence more restrictions on guns will do very little, if anything at all, to curtail gun-related violence.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

You should see the 600 round "Banana Clip" for those "AK-47" "Assault Weapons".

The "Banana clip" is so long you have to use a tactical ladder to fire from your hip as designed.

Concerned Democrats are calling for a ban on black ladders with a capacity of more than 10 rungs.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

I don't know why... but I am always in awe as to the ignorance, misleading information, and/or sheer lies that go into articles like this.

I guess I should really get used to it. It's propaganda...

 

[RP86]

It's not nice we have to arm ourselves like the soldiers in Iraq," said Sgt. Laurie Pfeil, who supervises a sheriff's road patrol in Palm Beach County and is now certified to carry a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle on the job.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but don't all police cruisers have an AR-15 or 12 gauge in the gun rack? I actually did a ride along with my LEO friend this past weekend, and what was in a rack above me the whole time? An Ar-15. He doesn't work for a big department, so it's not anything special.

Perhaps they are carrying the AR-15's at all times even at every traffic stop now, and the issued handgun on their hip is just a back up gun. I don't know what to make of the article.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

"Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but don't all police cruisers have an AR-15 or 12 gauge in the gun rack? I actually did a ride along with my LEO friend this past weekend, and what was in a rack above me the whole time? An Ar-15. He doesn't work for a big department, so it's not anything special."

i was under that impression too. BTW, what do these guys carry on their hips?

 

[camacho]

He lays the blame squarely on lawmakers who allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004.

Yep, let's just re-instate the ban and all crime will disappear! The trouble is that regular folks (non-gunny) who read that stuff believe it.

 

[RP86]

i was under that impression too. BTW, what do these guys carry on their hips?

Going off of what I know the majority of departments use in the state, it's more than like Sig 226(.40). I have heard of others using G22, an officer that shoots at the range with me is issued G37(45 GAP). Odds are the 226, but that's just an assumption based on the majority of what I've heard and seen.

 

[DouglasW]

BTW, what do these guys carry on their hips?

Looks like officer-provided Glocks...well, at least it was in 2005.

Most agencies down here do provide all of your gear, including your sidearm. PBSO (Palm Beach Sheriff's Office) does not provide your weapon for you. They used to give you a list and you would have to purchase your handgun from that list, but now the only option is the GLOCK 22/23.

from here. Why yes, my Google-fu is strong

 

[PPGMD]

PBSO isn't the only agency down here that requires POWs.

At least two agencies near by me do not provide a side arm for the officer, heck one of them doesn't even provide a list, they only have a set of required features, and a no Glock policy (after an AD that almost killed a suspect by another agency in their jurisdiction, never mind that the officer had his finger on the trigger).

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

This reminds me of a spoof study I saw once blaming global warming on the decline of high seas piracy. They showed a graph of the decline of Blackbeard-esque pirates side by side with a graph of global temperature. To a fool it would indeed look as though as piracy declined, global temperature rose, thus one must be the cause of the other.

In this article, the Bradys state the AWB expired, and that the use of automatic weapons is on the rise. We of course know the AWB had nothing to do with illegal autos, and that even if the AWB was still in effect, it wouldn't change the use of illegal autos one bit.

But no one ever said the average news-watching gun-fearing American cared about facts.

Correlation does not equal causality.

 

[Jim K]

Brady Canpaign and Democratic party propaganda leading up to introduction of a new AWB. The usual confusion of semi-autos with machineguns, the usual nonsense about millions of bullets flying all over, thousands of innocent people shot down, steets littered with dead bodies.

Of course, no one in the press notices any of this until some politicized police chief counts his bribe money from the gun ban gang, and procedes to tell a bunch of lies to a naive reporter who doesn't know a gun from her left... elbow.

Let's face it folks, that is the way to get gun control laws passed - fear, trickery, lies, and bribery. And it works.

Jim

 

[2Lman]

No, this can't be right. Isn't it illegal to own an automatic weapon without a federal firearms license?

Well, then, there shouldn't be any problem with full autos. Since they are illegal, the criminals don't have them! Simple enough!

 

[PPGMD]

No, this can't be right. Isn't it illegal to own an automatic weapon without a federal firearms license?

Sort of, full autos are regulated by the 1934 National Firearms act, along with a restriction placed on new registrations by the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. But without a Federal Tax Stamp yes they are illegal.

Anyways full autos used in crime are either illegal conversions, or smuggled in the same way drugs are.

 

[Mannlicher]

I see this as mostly anti gun cop BS. I lived in south Florida for years. Every cop I knew had an AR or its equal in the trunk.

 

[Conqueror]

I especially like this part:

Across the country, at least 62 police officers have been gunned down this year -- a record pace, said Robert Tessaro, the associate director for law enforcement relations for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

As a result, the Brady organization supports police officers arming themselves with high-powered weapons "to protect themselves and their communities," he said.

The Brady Campaign says it's OK for cops to protect themselves with weapons, but not you. You're a dangerous renegade vigilante.

 

[modifiedbrowning]

If there are so many full auto weapons being used in FL, where the hell is the Batf(e)orce? Aren't illegal full autos under their (questionable) area of authority? Why are they going around harassing legal gunowners?
That article was a complete joke for all the reasons listed above. I'm going to go to www.theonion.com now for real fact based reporting.

 

[PPGMD]

If there are so many full auto weapons being used in FL, where the hell is the Batf(e)orce? Aren't illegal full autos under their (questionable) area of authority?

Not really, it's more about preventing the importation of the weapons, that's more of a job for ICE and BPS.

 

[Rumble]

Ugh. Same old s***. I swear I've read this article before, like years ago.

I wonder if I can dig it up on LEXIS/NEXIS. Hm.

 

[modifiedbrowning]

Yet, the article implies that these are the same weapons that were banned by AWB, but because the AWB expired they are now easily available. My Bushmaster was made during the ban, they sure ain't gonna sell me a full auto now because the ban sunsetted.
Also, if they have so many of these full auto "assault weapons/assault rifles/ak-47s" stacked in their evidence why isn't Batforce tacking on Federal weapons violation charges?

 

[shield20]

guess the media does not understand that the vast majority of guns used in crimes in general, let alone cop slaying, are obtained illegally.

Oh, I think they may understand (atleast a bit), and so does the Brady Bunch. They think they are stemming the flow of guns obtained illegally by stemming the flow of guns owned legally. But "assault weapons" entering the country say - from the soviet block - to be used in crimes are NOT the normal citizen's...responsibility, and do not justify OUR loss of unalienable rights.

 

[sm]

Jim Keenan in post #37 speaks true.

Truth is, criminals have always had guns the Police didn't

Criminals do not have all the bureaucracy with proposals, recommendations, budgets, political favors and everything else Police do in getting guns

Pretty good argument in regard to how well bureaucracy works...*ahem*

 

[bluestarlizzard]

dad said "i hope if someone shoots an ak-47 at me they shoot from the hip, while i unload 8 rounds of .45 acp into them from my 1911A1!"

 

[BitterBeerFace]

This pissed me off when I read it...

Sent them an error report:

Bluntly false statement: "Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode. It is the weapon of choice for guerillas and gangsters."

None of the rifles mentioned in the article were designed to be fired "from the hip". The AK47 is designed to be fired the same way as the rifles (M16/AR-15) the police are using--with the stock against the shoulder, eye looking down the sights.

The AK47, AR-15, and M16 can all be "fired from the hip", but that's not the point. None of them were designed for that.

There is also no mention that AK47s smuggled from former communist countries are already illegal. Those rifles are not purchased a gun shows or gun shops, they're purchased from the same type of criminals that sell the smuggled drugs.

 

[bluestarlizzard]

firing anything from the hip is what scarface does, not what a actual person does.