Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals

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Cops find themselves in arms race with criminals
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Cops train to match firepower of crooks toting automatic weapons

About a third of Palm Beach County deputies carry semiautomatic weapons

Deputies see automatic weapons in street "on a daily basis," sergeant says

Police, gun control groups blame trend on 2004 end of assault weapons ban

By Susan Candiotti
CNN

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- The war on the streets is escalating. As gangs and other criminals pack more firepower, police departments say they find themselves in an arms race.

The officers say they need to level the playing field to survive. And so, on a bright October day about a dozen Palm Beach County sheriff's deputies brought out their big guns at the local firing range.

Rifles crackled. Shell casings flew. Bullets sailed at 3,200 feet per second through paper targets set up a football field's length away.

The sharpshooters weren't training for a SWAT team. These were the deputies who patrol the streets and roads from the glittery Gold Coast to the swamps of the Everglades. Watch cops practice firing the big guns »

The fatal shooting in September of a Miami-Dade police officer by a man using an assault weapon put all South Florida police departments on edge. Several other officers were wounded by the gunfire.

"It's not nice we have to arm ourselves like the soldiers in Iraq," said Sgt. Laurie Pfeil, who supervises a sheriff's road patrol in Palm Beach County and is now certified to carry a semiautomatic AR-15 rifle on the job. It's the civilian version of the military's M-16 used by U.S. soldiers in Iraq.

"We are like soldiers. It is a war, " says Sgt Pfeil.

Across the country, at least 62 police officers have been gunned down this year -- a record pace, said Robert Tessaro, the associate director for law enforcement relations for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

As a result, the Brady organization supports police officers arming themselves with high-powered weapons "to protect themselves and their communities," he said.

"We're having more than one officer shot and killed a week. It's just outrageous that officers are being targeted," he said. "It's something I think all Americans should be outraged about."

He lays the blame squarely on lawmakers who allowed the assault weapons ban to expire in 2004.

Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode. It is the weapon of choice for guerillas and gangsters.

Cops prefer to squeeze off single shots in semiautomatic mode because it makes for more accurate shooting. Some semiautomatic weapon's can fire with pinpoint accuracy from as far as 100 yards away. The magazines used by law enforcement typically carry 20 or 30 rounds, adding to the ability to better respond under fire.

There's no doubt that urban street warfare, aided by a proliferation of cheap automatic weapons, has come even to Palm Beach County, once high society's vacation mecca and a retirement destination for northern snowbirds.

Assault weapons have been used to kill eight people and wound 25 here over the last two years. Authorities estimate there are about 160 gangs who boast around 7000 members.

"They don't have .38s anymore. They have AK-47s. ...They have automatic weapons now," said Sgt. Pfeil.

So the Palm Beach Sheriff's office, like many others across the county, is training and arming everyone on the force with semiautomatic assault weapons. Many officers say it's about time.

"It's different now. It's shootings on a weekly basis. Ten years ago, that just didn't happen," said Pfeil. "They don't get out and run from us anymore. They stop, and they're shooting at us."

Miami's police department also is in the process of arming every officer with an assault rifle.

"It's a little bit embarrassing that we're engaged in this, but what is the alternative?" said Miami police Chief John Timoney. He said gangs, in particular, are getting their hands on high-powered weapons with apparent ease.

"The streets of South Florida are being flooded by AK-47s and assault weapons from old Soviet bloc countries. It's driven the price down, making the availability greater," said Chief Timoney.

The Miami police department evidence room has seized AK-47s, AR-15s and an assortment of other automatic and semiautomatic weapons piled on shelves from floor to ceiling.

Chief Timoney says he started noticing an increase since the federal assault weapon ban lapsed in 2004. Since then, he says homicides in the city of Miami involving assault weapons have been up -- 18 percent last year and 20 percent this year.

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. So far this year, 12 of 60 killings have involved the high-powered arms.

Tessaro said he recently attended a conference for the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Among the crime scene tape, squad cars, and other law enforcement gear offered for sale was the latest in high-powered assault weapons.

But it takes time and money to arm everyone. In the case of Palm Beach Sheriff's office, about one-third of its deputies carry assault weapons. It could take a year to get everyone equipped.

Some officers aren't waiting.

Palm Beach Sheriff's deputy Carl Martin bought his own AR-15 and passed the required training.

When his department offered him one of their weapons, he gave it up to someone else who was on the waiting list. "Because there's not enough to go around," he explained.
 
As usual they tie the sunset of the Klinton AWB to the use of full automatic illegally converted weapons.

Nothing to do with each other.

More FUD (fear uncertainly and doubt), all the media knows how to sell anymore.
 
The serf's must not be equally armed.. They might be able to defend themselves from their government.
 
If these weapons are so common, how come ATF doesn't list them in gun traces or reported gun types in their annual statistics?
 
Police and criminals have always been in an arms race. The police are usually loosing too.

But that article... it kills brain cells

About a third of Palm Beach County deputies carry semiautomatic weapons
And what are the other 2/3 carrying? Bolt action handguns? I bet 100% of Palm Beach County Deputies are carrying semi-automatic weapons.

Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode.
No, not designed to be fired from the hip. No, can't fire 600 rounds per minute. The usual made up garbage.

Some semiautomatic weapon's can fire with pinpoint accuracy from as far as 100 yards away.
Only 100 yards? These rifles suck.

They don't have .38s anymore. They have AK-47s. ...They have automatic weapons now
This statement dates to, 1947.
 
Good grief, more poor writing from the mainstream media.

I guess we'll be seeing more and more of these articles to prepare the voters for the nearly certainly upcoming 2009 weapons ban. :mad:

TexasRifleman said:
More FUD (fear uncertainly and doubt), all the media knows how to sell anymore.

Well said.
 
Some semiautomatic weapon's can fire with pinpoint accuracy from as far as 100 yards away.

Whoa! I heard some can go as far as 150 yards!

Across the country, at least 62 police officers have been gunned down this year -- a record pace, said Robert Tessaro, the associate director for law enforcement relations for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

While very tragic it is only a half truth.

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. So far this year, 12 of 60 killings have involved the high-powered arms.

Umm, I make that at small drop in murders on a by-month basis (9%). This is a good thing.

"It's different now. It's shootings on a weekly basis. Ten years ago, that just didn't happen,"

Really? I bet a dozen doughnuts it was higher ten years ago.

Designed to be fired from the hip, assault rifles such as the AK-47 can spray at a rate of up to 600 rounds a minute in full automatic mode. It is the weapon of choice for guerillas and gangsters.

I looked all through the training manual and it never said anything about being designed to be fired from the hip. They really need to update that thing.
 
Designed to be fired from the hip? wow, all these years I been doing it wrong. Thank God the writer and his paper came along to straighten me out.
Gotta get back out to the range and try that. From the hip. Got it.
Hey, does that mean all the COPS will be shooting that way? I can't wait to show this article to my LEO pals at the range.
I know a gal with great BIG hips, does that help or hinder?
Totally unexplored area here.
 
This is what I don't understand. Why is the brady campaign so willing to let officers have so called "assault weapons" and they don't see anything wrong with it, yet they think everyone else shouldn't have one? Why do they think that the AWB sunsetting is the reason for anything? (After all it only banned based on looks more then functioning). I swear sometimes I have to wonder what they are thinking. BTW I am an officer, and I don't think rifles such as ak47s/ar15s ammount to .003% of weapons taken into custody in in my entire state. Most of them taken in aren't because they were used in crimes too.
 
I'd like to know how many of the supposed AK-47's that the cops captured were of the 600 rounds per minute full-auto AK-47's!!

This article spouts this crap about AK-47's in a way that makes all people think all AK-47's are full-auto. The semi-auto AK-47's are no more powerful than your average deer rifle in .308 or 30-06.

I am sick of these reporters trying to demonize guns and deceive the unknowing public so that they can try to further their gun-grabbing agenda!!

Papers that publish this crap should be made to publish an article that clarifies the issue. But then the truth would be revealed and their credibility gone.

Luke
 
This is less an anti-gun line from Law Enforcement and more of a "we're trying to justify the misuse of taxpayer dollars on Tacticool stuff that impresses our wives and our girlfirends (may they never meet)."

Example: Back in the early 90's a local PD migrated from S&W 65/66 .357's to S&W 5906 wondernines and told the newspaper the same story.

The result: More shootings, more rounds fired per shooting and fewer cops capable of qualifying with the new handguns. The PD had been carrying Federal 125 JHP's in their 65's and 66's and when a BG was hit he stayed down. Now they were using 2-4 shots per shooting and ended up with more officer-involved shootings.

This same PD recently attempted to migrate from the 5906 to the Glock fullsize .40, claiming that officers were failing to move the decocker back into battery and nearly cost some officers in near-shootings. The cops couldn't qualify on the .40 so they got traded in for Glock 19's!
 
I'd like to know how many of the supposed AK-47's that the cops captured were of the 600 rounds per minute full-auto AK-47's!!
Well... Unless someone has invented a 600 round ammunition belt to feed an AK-47... none.
 
Maybe the problem is not "assault weapons" (is there a non-assault weapon?) but,oh just throwing this out here...a cycle of poverty and dependence on a welfare state? Growing disillusion with said state? Cultures that glorify violence and criminal stigmas,and portray the police as bad guys? The War on Drugs,which keeps the price of drugs artificially inflated,therefore making the risk of selling drugs worth it to young capitalists,who are then persecuted for wanting to make a buck? Maybe there'd be less criminals if they had a better chance to make a living doing something else,rather than perpetuating the cycle of gang violence?

Just sayin'. What do I know.
 
This article spouts this crap about AK-47's in a way that makes all people think all AK-47's are full-auto. The semi-auto AK-47's are no more powerful than your average deer rifle in .308 or 30-06.

Er? Much less so...
AK = 7.62X39
.308 = 7.62X51
.30-06= 7.62X63
 
*quitly shaking head, controling impulse to scream* "why on EARTH are they lisiting to the brady bunch!?"
once again the media shows its stupidity.
 
Well, Click beat me to it. I really liked the part about AKs being designed to fire from the hip and the 100 yard precision shooting.

the Brady organization supports police officers arming themselves with high-powered weapons "to protect themselves and their communities," he said.

Civilians should certainly not have the same ability. If threatened by an assault weapon one should call the police and wait... and wait... and wait.

Palm Beach Sheriff's deputy Carl Martin bought his own AR-15 and passed the required training.

Anyone know what a typical LE rifle course consists of?
 
i have a question? and considering the retarded nature of this article, i don't think its that stupid. does the average media person actually know the deffrences in select fire weapons? i.e. were the bad guys shooting real full autos or were they shooting rapid fire on semi's? and if they were full auto, how did they get that way? were they purchesed full auto (and thus illigally imported into the us, a possibility in florida) or were they mods from guns already in the us?
see. these are the questions that should be asked.
 
Someone's a lying POS

The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. So far this year, 12 of 60 killings have involved the high-powered arms.

Assault weapons have been used to kill eight people and wound 25 here over the last two years

So which is it huh? Someone is blatantly lying to the American people about assault weapons and crime.
 
IF ANYone from the Brady Bunch can show me how the '94 assault weapons ban positively affected the amount of, & the illegal use of, full-auto "soviet-block" weapons on the streets in Miami, I am all ears.
 
Horrible reporting, as usual. They flip back and forth between assault weapons under the old ban and full autos. Then they include the soundbite from Brady Bunch without bothering to find out which if any of the officers were actually shot with asssault weapons, assault rifles or neither. More proof positive of the media bias.
 
Just wrote CNN an email nicely pointing out their biased misrepresentation as well as two conflicting statements.
 
Actually I can believe that there are some automatics are being used down there, but none of them came from inside the US, instead they are imported from South America along with the drugs.

Beyond that it's the usual FUD piece by the communist news network.
 
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