Texshooter
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I thought the title of this thread was concerning the reasons I stay broke.
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Dusty Rusty
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Thanks for all the great advice everyone! RonC--where did you get that gun mount--just what I need! Would work much better than the orange vest I wear. I do wear protective gear at all times--have my CCW and try my best to stay out of sticky situations. I am still learning my bike so I haven't been far yet. I think the tank bag will be best for me because, even though I can shoot one handed both left and right, my left hand would be on the clutch at a stop. I can always put my snubbie in my pocket when I get off. The MSF course is the best!!! Everyone who rides or intends to ride should take it--ditto for gun safety classes.
Ride on and safe shooting everyone!
Would work much better than the orange vest I wear. I do wear protective gear at all times--have my CCW and try my best to stay out of sticky situations. I am still learning my bike so I haven't been far yet. I think the tank bag will be best for me because, even though I can shoot one handed both left and right, my left hand would be on the clutch at a stop. I can always put my snubbie in my pocket when I get off. The MSF course is the best!!! Everyone who rides or intends to ride should take it--ditto for gun safety classes. Ride on and safe shooting everyone!
MCgunner
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I commend you for not getting a 600+ lb motorcycle to learn on and taking the MSF course, first of all. You ain't no teenager, so I guess you have some maturity.
I carry on my bikes every day, because if I go anywhere, it's usually on one of the bikes. I pocket carry. I used to IWB and on the bike I used a tuckable so my T shirt wouldn't fly up over it. Pocket carry is a lot easier. I carry a Kel Tec P11 usually and feel plenty well armed with it.
There have been times I've needed to lock the gun up on the bike in a crowded parking lot like at the Reliant center motorcycle show last year. I wasn't on my Wing, but riding my SV650S. So, I was forced to carry my .380 in it's "wallet holster" I made for it to stash under the seat. When I pull it out of my back pocket, it just looks like a wallet, can't tell it's a gun. This is one of the few compromises I've had to make on a motorcycle. Not real cool yankin' a firearm out in public to lock under your seat.
As it turned out, there were no pat downs or anything and I could have carried in that show, but you never know. I don't remember if there was a 30.06 sign on the door or not, but I didn't carry at any rate.
I carry on my bikes every day, because if I go anywhere, it's usually on one of the bikes. I pocket carry. I used to IWB and on the bike I used a tuckable so my T shirt wouldn't fly up over it. Pocket carry is a lot easier. I carry a Kel Tec P11 usually and feel plenty well armed with it.
There have been times I've needed to lock the gun up on the bike in a crowded parking lot like at the Reliant center motorcycle show last year. I wasn't on my Wing, but riding my SV650S. So, I was forced to carry my .380 in it's "wallet holster" I made for it to stash under the seat. When I pull it out of my back pocket, it just looks like a wallet, can't tell it's a gun. This is one of the few compromises I've had to make on a motorcycle. Not real cool yankin' a firearm out in public to lock under your seat.
As it turned out, there were no pat downs or anything and I could have carried in that show, but you never know. I don't remember if there was a 30.06 sign on the door or not, but I didn't carry at any rate.
Dusty Rusty
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I carry my Kel-Tec .380 in a PDA case so that's no problem. My snubbie would be taken out before I got to where I was going so no one would see. I'm very sneaky! 
Yep--I was looking at a bigger bike but I know my limitations and am starting out very slowly. No longer a teenager--feel my age more everyday! Still young at heart though! Just ask my Red Hat buddies---especially at the casino!
Yep--I was looking at a bigger bike but I know my limitations and am starting out very slowly. No longer a teenager--feel my age more everyday! Still young at heart though! Just ask my Red Hat buddies---especially at the casino! Raine
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This might not work too well for the guys, but I carry a small backpack when I ride, with a holster built in. That way, the gun's not "on" me if I crash, and I'm not having to move anything around if I stop at a restuarant or go inside a gas station or anything.
MCgunner
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People think I'm crazy, 54 year old that still flat tracks and road races motorcycles. But, hey, you can't do this forever so you gotta enjoy it while you can!
Hemicuda
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I ride a Suzuki VZ800V Marauder... and I carry in my usual Galco Jak-Slide at 4-o'clock, covered by my vest, jacket, shirt, or even open...
note: here in MI, to open carry on a bike (or in a vehicle) you MUST have a CPL...
I've never been pulled over with the gun showing...
note: here in MI, to open carry on a bike (or in a vehicle) you MUST have a CPL...
I've never been pulled over with the gun showing...
I carry in a tankbag, I take it with me whenever I leave the bike since it is essentially my man-purse anyways. I dont like on-body carry on bikes due to the potential for injury. I have had friends who suffered nasty injuries from crashing with cell phones, MP3 players, and wallets in their pockets. I'd hate to think about how much a gun would hurt. Besides, I can draw from my tankbag faster than I can unzip my jacket and draw from a holster, plus I can draw with either hand from the bag.
rero360
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I wans't carrying my pistol when i crashed my old bike last summer (suzuki volusia 800) however I did have my beretta CX4 storm in the sissy bar bag, hit the ground somewheres between 20 and 40 mph, ended up in the middle of an intersection 20 feet away from the bike.
was wearing a leather jacket and a scull cap, jeans, injuries were a small bit of road rash on my left knee and elbow, each about the size of a dime, and a small bruise on my thigh from cell phone, it still worked afterwards.
I normally carry my 1911 in the inside chest pocket of my jacket, then throw it in the iwb when i get off the bike.
sold that bike, and plan on getting a 08 harley softtail once I get back from the sandbox.
was wearing a leather jacket and a scull cap, jeans, injuries were a small bit of road rash on my left knee and elbow, each about the size of a dime, and a small bruise on my thigh from cell phone, it still worked afterwards.
I normally carry my 1911 in the inside chest pocket of my jacket, then throw it in the iwb when i get off the bike.
sold that bike, and plan on getting a 08 harley softtail once I get back from the sandbox.
boomer1911a1
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Wow, my first post, and it's an echo of a thread I started over on the FZ1 Owner's association site.
I'm an MSF Rider Coach in Texas, and when I used to travel long distances to my grandparent's houses, I wore a Taurus PT-99 with an extended (20 rnd) mag with two spare mags in a left-handed Uncle Mike's rig. If you haven't figured out the reason for the left-handed draw, you will.
And I figure I'm going to want as many shots as possible without reloading... you know. Just in case I find myself in a John Woo movie out near Childress, sometime.
I'm an MSF Rider Coach in Texas, and when I used to travel long distances to my grandparent's houses, I wore a Taurus PT-99 with an extended (20 rnd) mag with two spare mags in a left-handed Uncle Mike's rig. If you haven't figured out the reason for the left-handed draw, you will.
And I figure I'm going to want as many shots as possible without reloading... you know. Just in case I find myself in a John Woo movie out near Childress, sometime.
motorcycle_dan
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Concur not to carry on your body
Having a pistol in a shoulder rig is a sure way to busted ribs in a get off. I feel I am much more likely to crash than to need a weapon.
I use tank bag and have a small .380 It goes easily into my pocket if I have to walk away from the bike.
Agree with another poster that being aware of your situation is more important. You are on a bike, Even that Rebel will get to 60mph faster that all (almost) cars. Just never stop the bike in traffic so as to trap you in a position. Be able to exit between traffic of off the edge if prudent.
Let me say it another way. If you can tell me the exact number of assailiants and their exact position during the encounter. I can tell you EXACTLY what day to stay home.
Having a pistol in a shoulder rig is a sure way to busted ribs in a get off. I feel I am much more likely to crash than to need a weapon.
I use tank bag and have a small .380 It goes easily into my pocket if I have to walk away from the bike.
Agree with another poster that being aware of your situation is more important. You are on a bike, Even that Rebel will get to 60mph faster that all (almost) cars. Just never stop the bike in traffic so as to trap you in a position. Be able to exit between traffic of off the edge if prudent.
Let me say it another way. If you can tell me the exact number of assailiants and their exact position during the encounter. I can tell you EXACTLY what day to stay home.
It would seem to me that the most likely time a person would need to draw from a seated position on a motorcycle would be at a full stop, if you were moving, the best bet would be to simply keep moving. Now if your stopped, your either clutched in with your left hand, or your in neutral. If you start firing with your left you have pretty much commited to being unable to move your bike. Its pretty easy to run the throttle with an object in your hand, it is not particularly easy to clutch in. If you have to commit to a side to draw from I think the right-handed draw has more to offer, expecially if that is your strong side in the firstplace.
As far as firing from a moving bike is concerned, its going to be hard enough with your strong-hand, its gonna be downright silly with your weak hand.
boomer1911a1
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I disagree! It seems to me much more likely you'll have to shoot while at speed, and you'll need to control the throttle/braking... and you can always bang a clutchless up-or-down shift. Unless you're riding a Harley.
I do agree that anyones shooting will be lousy, hence the 20-round mag. Not to mention conscientious weak-hand practice.
But let's face it. A rolling gunfight is pretty unlikely. And spraying a car with twenty 9mm slugs sounds like an invitation to a "Wanton Disregard for Human Life" charge... but still you plan for the worst and hope for the best.
I do agree that anyones shooting will be lousy, hence the 20-round mag. Not to mention conscientious weak-hand practice.
But let's face it. A rolling gunfight is pretty unlikely. And spraying a car with twenty 9mm slugs sounds like an invitation to a "Wanton Disregard for Human Life" charge... but still you plan for the worst and hope for the best.
Guns_and_Labs
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I guess I consider myself a better biker than a weak-hand-while-stressed pistoleer. I'll put more time into practicing evasive maneuvers than a left hand draw while on the bike.
I carry in a pocket holster in my Aerostitch jacket, which is on regardless of the weather.
MCgunner
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I'm sorry, but I have a throttle and a brake on that bike and I'll use it rather than shoot from a moving motorcycle. If I can't get away from the guy (highly unlikely to be the case on even an SV650) I'll find a good spot to pull off and wait for him to make his move, some place preferably a crowded parking lot with lots of witnesses or if that's not possible, somewhere with cover, trees, etc, to keep him and his car/truck away from me as well as to hide behind for the gun fight to come.
Accurate shooting weak hand from a moving bike and, too, trying to concentrate on riding? I'd more than likely hit an innocent in traffic with an errant shot. I can outride danged near anybody with that SV, even if they're on a liter bike. I've ridden AMA pro 250s and won 9 club expert sprint championships over the years in road racing. I'd prefer to use my riding skills in that situation. Shooting is my last resort.
If I can't get away from the guy (highly unlikely to be the case on even an SV650) I'll find a good spot to pull off and wait for him to make his move, some place preferably a crowded parking lot with lots of witnesses or if that's not possible, somewhere with cover, trees, etc, to keep him and his car/truck away from me as well as to hide behind for the gun fight to come.Accurate shooting weak hand from a moving bike and, too, trying to concentrate on riding?
I'd more than likely hit an innocent in traffic with an errant shot. I can outride danged near anybody with that SV, even if they're on a liter bike. I've ridden AMA pro 250s and won 9 club expert sprint championships over the years in road racing. I'd prefer to use my riding skills in that situation. Shooting is my last resort.ReidWrench
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What about wristcrossbows ?
I have to agree with MC . I am also a lifelong enthusiast and competitor and it strikes me as counterintuitive to pull out a pistol with the engine running . Kinda like seeing two racers in a movie attempt to cheat by kicking at one another . That's a good way to get passed , not go fast . Hollywood !
When in doubt , GAS IT . The opprtunity to safely fire on another moving target from a bike is not going to present itself . He may be hostile , he may be road raging , but with a flick of his wrist , you are DOWN or up agaisnt the armco barrier . ( Pick up your leg before the car door hits it ) .
Unless of course , he is behind you and fading fast or in front of you , in which case GET ON THE BINDERS ... and take off the other way .
I have to agree with MC . I am also a lifelong enthusiast and competitor and it strikes me as counterintuitive to pull out a pistol with the engine running . Kinda like seeing two racers in a movie attempt to cheat by kicking at one another . That's a good way to get passed , not go fast . Hollywood !
When in doubt , GAS IT . The opprtunity to safely fire on another moving target from a bike is not going to present itself . He may be hostile , he may be road raging , but with a flick of his wrist , you are DOWN or up agaisnt the armco barrier . ( Pick up your leg before the car door hits it ) .
Unless of course , he is behind you and fading fast or in front of you , in which case GET ON THE BINDERS ... and take off the other way .
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eng23ine
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Back when i rode, i always carried my P3 in my inside zippered pocket of my jacket ( you DO wear your riding jacket 100% of the time dont you??).
Had a pertty bad get off and my little popper was the LEAST of my worries.
FTR, the P3 didnt cause any injuries nor did it sustain any of its own.
Here is a pic of what USED to be my CBR 600 F4...
Had a pertty bad get off and my little popper was the LEAST of my worries.
FTR, the P3 didnt cause any injuries nor did it sustain any of its own.
Here is a pic of what USED to be my CBR 600 F4...
Here one of the screwed up laws that Ohio has regarding CCW on a motorcycle; the law requires your weapon to be “on your person, in a holster and in plain view” while in (or on) a motor vehicle. And yes a motorcycle is considered a motor vehicle. So imagine me riding down the street on my VTX 1800 all decked out in leather and my Kimber .45 strapped on my side for the entire world to see. I have never been stopped by LEO, but have sure had some strange looks from folks while stopped in traffic.
earplug
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I carried for about 100K on cycles. When you get off the bike and want to take your firearm, drop it in your helmet and cover with a dew rag. Don't let go of your helmet.
Big gloves will hold small to medium size pistols. If you have a hat that you carry, it will work to hide a pistol. Carry the hat have the pistol.
You will want to take off the leather jacket at some point.
The hat, helmet and glove will be handy at times.
I carried for about 100K on cycles. When you get off the bike and want to take your firearm, drop it in your helmet and cover with a dew rag. Don't let go of your helmet.
Big gloves will hold small to medium size pistols. If you have a hat that you carry, it will work to hide a pistol. Carry the hat have the pistol.
You will want to take off the leather jacket at some point.
The hat, helmet and glove will be handy at times.
MCgunner
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Well, no, I don't wear even my mesh when I stop, like at a restaurant or store. I prefer to have my 9 in my front pants pocket. I ain't gonna take off my pants.
It's amazing how hot a mesh jacket is with no air flow on a 105 degree summer day in south Texas. Long as you're moving, you're actually better off wearing it to keep the hot air off and sun from burning. But, stop, and it comes off!
Hemicuda
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What is all this talk of a "Hand Clutch"??? My marauder now sports a FOOT clutch and a JOCKEY shifter... P oh, and that frees up the left hand to shoot, since the left hand only shifts the bike...
P oh, and that frees up the left hand to shoot, since the left hand only shifts the bike...Sig245
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I always carry a Kel-tec 380 in my front pocket. I cannot access it unless I am stopped and off the bike due to my chaps but I figure I need it if I break down in the middle of nowhere and run into Bubba and friends.
I don't want to get into a running gun battle while riding, I have been riding for over 30+ years and have never had to pull a gun. If I have a problem I will pull off the road in a safe spot and take my chances.
Thanks for the link to Cornado Leather!
I don't want to get into a running gun battle while riding, I have been riding for over 30+ years and have never had to pull a gun. If I have a problem I will pull off the road in a safe spot and take my chances.
Thanks for the link to Cornado Leather!
possum
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i have a kawasaki vulcan 500 ltd which i bought this summer and I carry my weapon in a shoulder rig. I have went on many trips and a couple rallies and it has always been right there ready, to go into action if i needed it.
Bergerboy
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I will be doing something like this on a Harley Chopper......I can already imagine the stares I'll get when I stop at a light and they see a long-haired scruffy guy on a chopper w/ a Mossberg 590 strapped to the side.....
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