Guns Aren't Enough...Pols want Bullet Control

[Zero_DgZ]

When and if my plastic car (Saturn) ever rusts through enough to let cartridges start falling out I'll be sure to vacuum them out. Along with everything else in my trunk.

 

[Sistema1927]

Beatnik:

If this is a joke, you need to say so. If it isn't, you need to get responsible.

You are kidding, right?

What is irresponsible about having loose ammo rolling around in your trunk? Not all of us are mortally frightened by inanimate objects.

 

[ball3006]

I forgot to mention that....

I have several rounds of 40 S&W and 380 ACP rattling around in my ash tray. I noticed it this weekend. I think they got there because I have to unload my gun before I go into a gunshow and that was the rounds that were in the chamber........There is a bunch of change in there too......chris3

 

[SoCalShooter]

He was carrying a bag with nearly 100 rounds of ammunition. Cops later seized another 100 rounds in his apartment.

Wow thats one maybe two boxes of ammunition. Hell if they ever raid my place there is alot more than that.

 

[Beatnik]

Should I bother, since I'm apparently not speaking English?

One more time.

You have loose ammo thrown in along with all your other crap in your trunk.

You pull your coat out of your trunk.

A loose round that was sitting on your coat gets dropped in the parking lot.

Anti finds the round, reports it to building management, and depending on the mood and politics of building management, MY LIFE gets made more miserable because you people couldn't bother to put your ammo in a box.

The topic of the thread is that they don't think this stuff is safe. If they already don't think that ammo is safe, why would you exacerbate the problem by taking a chance at your ammo getting left in random places?

Don't tell me they're under control - unless you have some enchanted unicorn living in your trunk whose rainbow barrier keeps loose, shifting objects smaller than a peanut from making their way out.

Do you leave your guns rolling around in your trunk, or loose in your ashtray? After all, you could do it when it's not loaded - if it's not loaded, it's completely safe, right?

Do you unload your guns and let random kids in the neighborhood play with them?

What's the inherent difference between letting kids play with unloaded guns and letting them play with ammo? It's the same message - hey, I don't think enough about this to keep it under control, so it's ok with me if you play with it.

To some extent the antis are right here - there's an explosive charge in those things, and they think they should be controlled. I agree, I just don't think the government should do the controlling - I think we should. And I think when we don't, it hurts our cause.

 

[azhunter12]

These people are silly control freaks. Even though some guns in CA are banned are there less shootings? NO Should we use blanks for hunting? This will also raise the cost of ammo and most likely double the prices. AZhunter12

 

[The Deer Hunter]

What if your using a revolver?

Why couldnt they just file the numbers off?

 

[Professor K]

Or, they could get a ton of range brass and throw it around the crime scene.

 

[Can'thavenuthingood]

We beat that ammo microstamping last august in California. Then it popped up in New Jersey about a month later. Now I see it in Maryland and New York is getting into the act.
What other states out there have a Bill like this in the works for consideration?.

All they want to do is pass a gun control bill and ammo will suffice. It won't be able to include all ammo so they will pass another bill to close the 'loose brass at the range' loophole.

Then will come the 'homemade bullet loophole' closure bill.

Then the law against filing down the firing pin.

It won't stop because they are about control. Doesn't matter what the item is, its about control of the people.

In the meantime the para military law enforcement agencies budgets get bigger in order to combat crime.

That budget is a string tied to your tax bill.

Gotta get those people out of office and change the bureaucracy that stays regardless of who is voted into office.

Vick

 

[Matt King]

Has anyone told them that you can cast your own bullets?

Better be careful. They might wet themselves so badly, that before you know it we would be looking at "Reloading Bans."

What idiots, banning bullets is about as effective as banning crime.~

 

[gunsmith]

I have loose ammo all over the place

spent shells too.

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[gunsmith]

beatnik

What's the inherent difference between letting kids play with unloaded guns and letting them play with ammo?

there is no such thing as an unloaded gun.

If a child played with my ammo I would have them wash their hands because of the minute possibility of lead contamination.

Anti finds the round, reports it to building management, and depending on the mood and politics of building management, MY LIFE gets made more miserable because you people couldn't bother to put your ammo in a box.

problem is beatnik that I am anti control.
I will make it my life's goal to litter your parking lot with my old factory reloads that I've stopped using.
please post your home address?

 

[razorburn]

Yeah, in case it didn't come through clearly, I'm not claiming that any of these things would happen, I'm not saying it's not safe to have them rolling around in your trunk, and I'm not claiming to be a reloading or ballistics expert.

No, it's safe. Yeah, there's a chance it could fall out somewhere. But why would you have to answer for it? Just don't. It's not your round. It's not particularly dangerous, no more than having some AA batteries rolling around in your car. I don't care if some people in the world don't think the battery is safe. Yeah, it's filled with acid, but it doesn't come out easily and even if it did, results in only a mild burn. An unsupported cartridge just has it's bullet pop a bit out of it's case and make a pop sound. Educate them.

 

[HiroProX]

For far too long we have ignored the relationship between politics and tyranny.

 

[thexrayboy]

I don't care if babies can safely cut their teeth on live rounds. I'm simply saying that we should not give antis any ammunition (pun intended).

Stop worrying about giving "ammo to the anti's. They are self loading. They do not need facts or evidence of any kind for their purposes. They are able to magically create them at will for whatever need they feel is at hand.
On average the people who hate and fear guns cannot think, they can only feel and are thus immune to facts or logic. The exception to this are those in power, they are not acting out of emotion, they are acting on a plan. A plan to disarm us so they can sieze greater power. They use the emotions of the irrational as a tool to further that goal.

 

[Kentak]

These people are truly insane.

Has anyone told them that you can cast your own bullets?

Shhhhh. They'll want to ban lead, bullet molds, powder, and reloading presses.

This banning works so well with criminals. Look how it's made it impossible for them to deal in drugs.

K

 

[JLStorm]

If the NY bullet bill is anything like the MD proposed bill reloading will be illegal past 2010

 

[Frog48]

Now if that aint the dumbest thing I heard...

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

Has anyone told them that you can cast your own bullets?

Ban LEAD!

I think the elected folks who are pushing this need to stop a bullet just like they suggest.

Yeah. Too bad this isn't texas...

Which brings me back OT - antis don't think of 100 rounds as 30 minutes of range time. They think of 100 rounds as 100 lives. And you can't say anything that changes that - the bottom line is that with 100 rounds of ammo you could kill 100 people.

Maybe if you told them that 100 rounds is $13 at walmart and then drop the bit about a normal bit of range time, they'd come around. Most people can relate to spending $13 on a hobby.

 

[Sistema1927]

Anti finds the round, reports it to building management, and depending on the mood and politics of building management, MY LIFE gets made more miserable because you people couldn't bother to put your ammo in a box.

You spend too much time worrying about what others think and carrying water for strangers.

 

[Beatnik]

I will make it my life's goal to litter your parking lot with my old factory reloads that I've stopped using.
please post your home address?

No, do some re-reading and you'll see that I was talking about the office building in which I work. I have PM'ed Gunsmith, anyone else who wants my work address can come leave rounds in the parking lot, just PM me and I'll send it out.

Incidentally, I'm right outside of DC, where there's this minor 2nd amendment related debate going on, and my work building is about a mile from NRA HQ. So please PM me back your real names and addresses. When the police cross-reference everyone in the building with CHPs, hunting permits, and commonwealth lists of firearms sales, they're going to find ME, and I want to point them in the right direction, and I want you all to get the proper honors for pointing out in such a great location exactly how safe unchambered live ammunition is.

I have a daughter who is not allowed to play with live ammunition, so you guys won't be visiting me at home.

You spend too much time worrying about what others think and carrying water for strangers.

You can poo-poo the banners if you want, but I think it's counterproductive. But answer the questions: how does dropping live rounds in random locations not send the message that it's ok to play around with ammunition? And the follow up question, how does that currently help our cause?

The way I understand this is that you have complete government control on one end of the spectrum, and complete personal responsibility on the other end of the spectrum.

The banners are talking about shifting ammo ownership toward the government control end.

You guys are rightfully arguing against that, but you're not constructing an argument that includes how you're going to be personally responsible. You're simply stating facts that have nothing to do with the argument.

If we put up signs that say 30MPH, and took away speeding laws, we'd expect everyone to be personally responsible enough to adhere to that guideline. As soon as someone drives 35MPH, though, they kick the hornet's nest and everyone comes down on the rest of society like a ton of bricks and we get speeding laws back.

Whether or not the 35MPH driver ever put anyone in danger is not the point. The point is that society in general has decided that 30 is the speed limit.

I don't know how many times I can say that the point isn't whether or not the ammo is dangerous.

I assert that society in general has decided that they don't want live ammo being left around in random locations. Truthfully, I don't know why you're fighting that. I don't understand your motivations here.

I also don't see what point leaving live rounds all over my work's parking lot is going to make. You're not going to hurt MY feelings.

And when the grabbers come arguing that we're not personally responsible enough to own firearms, I don't see how it would make us ALL look like anything other than a bunch of wannabe Rambo slobs: basically the poster children for why the public shouldn't own guns.

Am I seriously the only person who thinks like this?

 

[Geno]

Here is one more example of stupid tactic. Having an actual fired cartridge proved so inffective that it literally never once contributed to solving a crime. Because that worked so well, now we will track even more? So, the logic, it seems is, if a little didn't work, a lot will work a lot less?! I'm confused.

The persistence of such ignorance puts me to mind of our dog, as it persists in trying to kill the stuffed doll in its mouth, never realizing that the thing was never alive to begin. W have on one side honest, law-abiding sportsmen and others who simply interested in securing their being, posited against the politicians who yet again, are knowingly placing us in danger. They persist in leaving the borders open, restrict gun purchases, and now propose to restrict ammunition sales. What in the hell is going on in America? The elections are coming folks. Research and vote your conscience! Send your politician the address and telephone number for your area's Unemployment Office. Perhaps they will get the message. If not, unemploy them via your vote.

 

[1911Tuner]

Ban

Doc wondered:

>Here is one more example of stupid tactic. Having an actual fired cartridge proved so inffective that it literally never once contributed to solving a crime. Because that worked so well, now we will track even more? <
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Maybe because one of the symptoms of insanity is continuing to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome each time...perhaps?

Or is it...One of the earmarks of fanaticism is the act of doubling one's efforts after having lost sight of one's goals?

Either one seems to fit. You may choose which one you like better.

I like'em both...

 

[Art Eatman]

Backing and forthing with personal stuff gets threads locked.

Art

 

[jeep-2]

exactly what Cris Rock said in one of his routines, charge 5000.00 per bullit and there would be no killings, he said ti to get a laugh, but it looks like some law makers were listening.