Guns in China

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Apparently there is a growing gun culture in the Workers' Paradise. I guess they read Mao's little red book that proclaimed, "Power comes from the barrel of a gun." There's a greater proliferation of firearms despite the draconian laws against private gun ownership in China. Read about it in the Wall Street Journal Link
 
Do you see a time when the Communist government lets the people own guns?
 
It is a rapidly growing gun culture indeed. There is a fun range here in Dallas which advertises heavily at DFW airport. Go to the range on a Saturday morning and there is literally a tour bus sometimes filled with Chinese nationals. They want to shoot guns before going home. I've witnessed this several times... Good for them.
 
There are a TON of really interesting guns floating around in China. For decades they didn't have much serious local production and bought a wide variety of arms from other nations. I recently interviewed an author name Bin Shih who has published a book on Chinese small arms of WWII...we talked about Mauser rifles, C96 pistols, light and heavy machine guns, and China's best attempt at an indigenous autoloader (the General Liu rifle). You can see all the interview clips on YouTube if you're interested.

My favorite story - which didn't make it on camera - was the Colt salesman who approached on of the provincial governors who was a technically proficient guy and on particularly good terms with his arsenal director. They demo'ed a Browning 1917, and then threw the poor salesman in jail for two months while the local arsenal reverse engineered the sample gun. Once they were able to produce a functioning copy and tooling, they released the guy and threw him out of the province. A cautionary tale to salesmen about knowing your clientele! To be fair, a lot of other international designs were built congenially under license in China during this same time period.
 
I would think before the Chinese and Vietnamese relationship really soured they (Chinese) had many opportunities to inspect billions of dollars worth of stuff we left behind during the hasty evac in 1975 that they could reverse engineer for next to nothing.
 
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On Saturdays at the range here it's not unusual to see a small car pull up among all the pick-ups (range requires driving on some unpaved roads) and several exchange students get out with cameras. I let one shoot my PGO 12ga and it knocked him to the ground, but you shoulda seen the smile on his face! I wish I had it on video. He didn't want to do it again, but it looked like his friends were jealous (they also declined to try it).
 
One Chinese girl I used to talk to knew a few people that owned guns in China. They may have harsh penalties for owning guns (Death) but there are still alot of people that own them.
 
Given the increasing wealth and economic development of China its not surprising that gun clubs are becoming popular in China.

More money means expanded interests and watching western culture movies would develop increasing interests in those items shown on the screen like cars, guns, clothes, etc.

Penalties for people caught with guns in China seems to have declined in severity. One story I read about a husband and wife that got caught with 3 guns and 600,000 rounds of ammo and got 11 and I think 7 years respectively. Not too long ago they likely would have been put to death.

Economic boom and communist style governments don't last too long together as they are opposing forces.
 
Economic boom and communist style governments don't last too long together as they are opposing forces.

I sort of agree. Yes, capitalistic pressures seem to be disrupting communism in China, but I would argue that China, like all "Communist" countries, is first and foremost a Totalitarian state, and communism is an afterthought.

I've always laughed at how we misdiagnose all of these evil countries as "communist states." They are totalitarian states, police states, and/or dictatorships. The fact that they claim to espouse the lofty (if also misguided) ideals of communism is secondary. Think of the USSR, Cuba, N. Korea, Vietnam, and China. It isn't about economics, it is about government control.

The thing is that communism is s socioeconomic system, not a governing system. There is a distinct difference. China could move (and quite possibly is moving) toward capitalism, but retain a totalitarian regime. The two are not mutually exclusive! In fact neither are democracy (or, in our case, a democratically-elected constitutional republic [know the difference!] :) ) and communism.

You could easily have a democratic-style government that chooses to enact communist socioeconomic policies (see Europe as Exhibit A of how that might start).

And yet the media and our schools never seem to help us understand that these "red states" are not communist states, but rather totalitarian states that claim (and fail) to live up to true communism.

DISCLAIMER: I like capitalism, even our socialist-capitalism hybrid. It inspires innovation and rewards hard work. That said, I believe that communism could produce good results if it was practiced by non-greedy humans. (And these "communist" states have very greedy men at the top.)

I could go on and on (sorry that I have gone this far), but let me just say that a capitalist totalitarian China is developing. It is a strange marriage of systems because the people will lack some of the freedoms that also encourage innovation, but it will (and is) producing a strong and powerful state (economically speaking).
 
I never saw a gun for sale in Beijing, but it's not uncommon to see stores which sell everything *but* guns. Red dots, high-power scopes, laser sights, spotting scopes, tactical slings, and fighting knives. These places even have 5.11 clothing. One store owner told me their business is split 50-50 between Westerners buying knockoff accessories to take home, and local Chinese collecting them (for whatever reason).
 
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