Guns you'd like to see in 10mm?
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MrAcheson
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I think they would have to rework the grip geometry in order to fit the longer .45acp and 10mm cartridges. Until that happens, the Witness 10mm guns are CZ clones.
Nightcrawler
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The big problem with the Witnesses, in my opinion, is the company that imports them. By all accounts, EAA has the worst customer service of any gun company, with the possible exception of Hesse. But then, Hesse weapons don't have warranties, IIRC, so it's not that they lack good customer service, it's that they lack customer service period.
Tamara
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Cartridge OAL is way too long; 10mm needs a gun designed around the .45 ACP in order for the magwell to be long enough.
BerettaNut92
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The more I think about a 10mm USP Expert the more I want one!
Darn you 10-ring, darn you to heck!!!
Darn you 10-ring, darn you to heck!!!
Agree with Garrettwc's summary; I'd add that another choice for a "mini" 10mm is Tanfaglio's all-steel compact Witness in that caliber. It compares to their full-size version the way the Glock 20/29 do.
But, as mentioned, there's the issue of "hit-or-miss" QC with Witness pistols. And dealing with Tanfaglio's importer, EAA, is another issue in itself.
But, as mentioned, there's the issue of "hit-or-miss" QC with Witness pistols. And dealing with Tanfaglio's importer, EAA, is another issue in itself.
nvrquit
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It's too bad...
... that the "rebirth" of the Bren never materialized. Though the Bren doesn't suit eveyone's taste for style, it still holds a certain place in 10mm history.
As to the Glock versions, as previously touched upon, the G20 and G29 are available. The G20 is the full size version, while the G29 is marketed as a sub-compact(hence Major Sub status in GSSF matches). So, by Glock's own placement, there is no compact 10mm Glock, in the G19 type mold. A 10mm compact Glock, with say a 4.125" to 4.2" length barrel and a 12 to 13 round capacity(hey, push for the 94 AWB to sunset... push REAL HARD). Another use for the compact Glock topend would be on top of a G36 type single stack frame with 8 or 9 round capacity. Hmmm, maybe with G10 and G11 as their "nomme de Glock"?
I'll second, third, fourth or whatever, the re-introduction of the S&W 10xx series, especially that "value-line" entrant! Maybe we'd even get to finally have the proto'ed 10xx sub-compact that never made it to production(hey, when you dream, go big!).
Doesn't the Sig P220ST have a stainless frame as well as the stainless slide? The 10mm conversion is "doable", but that'll be a steep priced conversion, as you'd need abarrel as well as mag alterations to feed the 10mm. Also, if trying to convert the 220ST, how would you handle the larger breech face of the slide? I'd rather spend the money on a factory 10mm 220ST(are you listening SIG?!?)
On the Tan Witness front... well, the Witness offers such a nice possibility of options... so disapointing on delivery of CS support(and I can speak to that directly).
Not only are there more firearms now available for the 10mm than ever before, there are also more ammunition manufacturers. Sure, some are not the "majors", but they are there in the market, none the less. Texas Ammunition, Georgia Arms, CorBon, Glaser, Magsafe, Triton(?), RBCD and now Double Tap(yeow!!!, 700+ Ft/lbs of energy from all but one of the currently available DT loadings!!!). Even some Wally Worlds are beginning to stock the 10mm UMC loading(at least around my location they are).
So, we can't easily have a H&K MP5/10. We do have a couple of AR top ends and the CCU conversion units for both the 1911 and Glock frames.
What we need to do is to make sure the manufacturers know we do buy and that the 10mm IS making a return to some type of popularity.
We(the 10mm community) do a have a building momentum! Let's keep it going!
... that the "rebirth" of the Bren never materialized. Though the Bren doesn't suit eveyone's taste for style, it still holds a certain place in 10mm history.
As to the Glock versions, as previously touched upon, the G20 and G29 are available. The G20 is the full size version, while the G29 is marketed as a sub-compact(hence Major Sub status in GSSF matches). So, by Glock's own placement, there is no compact 10mm Glock, in the G19 type mold. A 10mm compact Glock, with say a 4.125" to 4.2" length barrel and a 12 to 13 round capacity(hey, push for the 94 AWB to sunset... push REAL HARD). Another use for the compact Glock topend would be on top of a G36 type single stack frame with 8 or 9 round capacity. Hmmm, maybe with G10 and G11 as their "nomme de Glock"?
I'll second, third, fourth or whatever, the re-introduction of the S&W 10xx series, especially that "value-line" entrant! Maybe we'd even get to finally have the proto'ed 10xx sub-compact that never made it to production(hey, when you dream, go big!).
Doesn't the Sig P220ST have a stainless frame as well as the stainless slide? The 10mm conversion is "doable", but that'll be a steep priced conversion, as you'd need abarrel as well as mag alterations to feed the 10mm. Also, if trying to convert the 220ST, how would you handle the larger breech face of the slide? I'd rather spend the money on a factory 10mm 220ST(are you listening SIG?!?)
On the Tan Witness front... well, the Witness offers such a nice possibility of options... so disapointing on delivery of CS support(and I can speak to that directly).
Not only are there more firearms now available for the 10mm than ever before, there are also more ammunition manufacturers. Sure, some are not the "majors", but they are there in the market, none the less. Texas Ammunition, Georgia Arms, CorBon, Glaser, Magsafe, Triton(?), RBCD and now Double Tap(yeow!!!, 700+ Ft/lbs of energy from all but one of the currently available DT loadings!!!). Even some Wally Worlds are beginning to stock the 10mm UMC loading(at least around my location they are).
So, we can't easily have a H&K MP5/10. We do have a couple of AR top ends and the CCU conversion units for both the 1911 and Glock frames.
What we need to do is to make sure the manufacturers know we do buy and that the 10mm IS making a return to some type of popularity.
We(the 10mm community) do a have a building momentum! Let's keep it going!
12-34hom
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H&K full sized - variant #1 - i'd own one.
If Colt comes out with a new 10mm - i'll own one of those.
12-34hom.
H&K full sized - variant #1 - i'd own one.
If Colt comes out with a new 10mm - i'll own one of those.
12-34hom.
Cthulhu
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Seeing how they made a 220 in both 9mm and .38 Super in addition to .45, the breechface issue seems like less of a problem. .38 Super uses the same or similar dimensions for the breech face and barrel blank as the 10mm in 1911 pattern pistols, so they have a slide (although the older version non-SS version) already dimensioned properly for the 10mm. Little redesign needed, provided the design can take the increased cartridge thrust loads from the full power 10mm rounds.
My vote would have to be for more 10mm handguns of any kind, and carbines for that matter. I don't see it as the king of auto pistol calibers as some do but I definitely like the option.
My vote would have to be for more 10mm handguns of any kind, and carbines for that matter. I don't see it as the king of auto pistol calibers as some do but I definitely like the option.
New_comer
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I'd like to see a 10mm USP.
Or maybe in the less expensive HS2000, so I could buy one!
Or maybe in the less expensive HS2000, so I could buy one!
For those of you wanting a 10mm H&K, I have one
I converted a USP40F to 10mm. I just have to do a little tweaking to the mags and I'm good to go
Also, there was a guy that did a 10mm conversion to a P7M10. That would be cool.
The USP in 10mm isn't too hard, you just use Para P16 mags. I am playing with STI mags for it as well as I think they will accomodate the 10mm a little better. Ream the barrel a little deeper and ideally replace the plastic mag catch with a metal one from the .45 USP's (although HK claims to no longer make a metal mag catch). That's it.
I converted a USP40F to 10mm. I just have to do a little tweaking to the mags and I'm good to go
Also, there was a guy that did a 10mm conversion to a P7M10. That would be cool.
The USP in 10mm isn't too hard, you just use Para P16 mags. I am playing with STI mags for it as well as I think they will accomodate the 10mm a little better. Ream the barrel a little deeper and ideally replace the plastic mag catch with a metal one from the .45 USP's (although HK claims to no longer make a metal mag catch). That's it.
yayarx7
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I like the idea of a semi-auto carbine in 10mm....
Taking one step further, what about a winchester or marlin lever action in 10mm??
Taking one step further, what about a winchester or marlin lever action in 10mm??
gulogulo1970
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I just want the Colt Delta Elite back.
Bergeron
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I would love the idea of a USP Expert in 10mm. I'm really too much of a wimp to have a smith take a functioning .40 S+W USP and make the change. But an Expert in 10mm? I would own one.
"It's too bad...
... that the "rebirth" of the Bren never materialized. Though the Bren doesn't suit eveyone's taste for style, it still holds a certain place in 10mm history."
I agree. I'd like an established quality manufacturer to rebirth the Bren Ten. I'd buy one in a flash.
... that the "rebirth" of the Bren never materialized. Though the Bren doesn't suit eveyone's taste for style, it still holds a certain place in 10mm history."
I agree. I'd like an established quality manufacturer to rebirth the Bren Ten. I'd buy one in a flash.
George Hill
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Sig P220
CZ-97
IMI Uzi
CZ-97
IMI Uzi
Black Snowman
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UZI in 10mm? That would be QUITE a handful. A carbine would be really slick though. For that matter a MAC style gun would be pretty slick too.
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