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H&K P7 prices
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earlthegoat2
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Rereading the OP got me thinking again about the fallacy of guns as investments.
For the OP, a 10-12 year timespan netted a doubling in investment. In the world of guns that is actually pretty good.
There are other things to consider but the historical average rate of return for the S&P 500 is 10%. Your money would double in 7 years as opposed to 10-12. As I said, there are other things to consider.
Just something to think about.
For the OP, a 10-12 year timespan netted a doubling in investment. In the world of guns that is actually pretty good.
There are other things to consider but the historical average rate of return for the S&P 500 is 10%. Your money would double in 7 years as opposed to 10-12. As I said, there are other things to consider.
Just something to think about.
I can remember when I saw a Rolex No-Date Submariner at the Eglin AFB Exchange and said to myself “...who in their right mind would pay $625.00 for a watch?”
I can remember when I saw a 1968 Shelby GT500 KR for sale in perfect original condition and said to myself “...who in their right mind would pay $1,800 for this gas hog?”
I won’t even mention the new in box, unfired Royal Blue Colt Python for $500 that I snoozed on!
I can remember when I saw a 1968 Shelby GT500 KR for sale in perfect original condition and said to myself “...who in their right mind would pay $1,800 for this gas hog?”
I won’t even mention the new in box, unfired Royal Blue Colt Python for $500 that I snoozed on!
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It's a unique gun and were the prices under $900 I could see myself owning one just to try it. I don't care about them going up in price above the rate of inflation, that's not why I own and shoot guns, but I'm not willing to spend over a grand on a gun that really doesn't do anything that a $500 P365 or clone also does: shoot a bullet.
I won't deny that having the slide release built into the front of the grip thru the squeeze cocker isn't a cool and useful feature, it is, nor will I say that having a striker pistol with the ability to do a double strike without having to rack the slide isn't a great feature, it is, I just don't think it's worth 1500 bucks.
I think in time if enough people start clamoring for a less expensive pistol with similar features they'll get made, just not by HK. I wouldn't doubt it if Taurus, Ruger, S&W, or Kel Tec will be the ones who do it as it will definitely be a polymer frame pistol and it's not likely going to have the gas delayed blowback, polygonal rifling (which I think is more a problem than a benefit) or have the fluted chamber, those are features that are not common to modern conceal carry pistols.
Let's not forget that the reason the P7 was discontinued was because the costs of manufacturing it went above a price people were willing to pay for. People didn't pass on buying them due to the design and it's clear the interest of the design is what's driving people to pay 1500 for them today.
I won't deny that having the slide release built into the front of the grip thru the squeeze cocker isn't a cool and useful feature, it is, nor will I say that having a striker pistol with the ability to do a double strike without having to rack the slide isn't a great feature, it is, I just don't think it's worth 1500 bucks.
I think in time if enough people start clamoring for a less expensive pistol with similar features they'll get made, just not by HK. I wouldn't doubt it if Taurus, Ruger, S&W, or Kel Tec will be the ones who do it as it will definitely be a polymer frame pistol and it's not likely going to have the gas delayed blowback, polygonal rifling (which I think is more a problem than a benefit) or have the fluted chamber, those are features that are not common to modern conceal carry pistols.
Let's not forget that the reason the P7 was discontinued was because the costs of manufacturing it went above a price people were willing to pay for. People didn't pass on buying them due to the design and it's clear the interest of the design is what's driving people to pay 1500 for them today.
I have shot one of the police trade in guns that hit the market in the 2000's. Now I am curious what it is worth.
The pistol is neat, but I remember the trigger is extremely light once you squeeze the grip. If you are used to heavier triggers, you need to be careful.
The pistol is neat, but I remember the trigger is extremely light once you squeeze the grip. If you are used to heavier triggers, you need to be careful.
Yet a High Point will do the same thing.
owned a PSP many years ago.. obviously should have held onto it..
Alex Du Plessis designed a polymer framed and gas delayed blowback 9mm pistol...unfortunately it didn't incorporate the squeezcocker. It was later marketed by Wilson Combat as the ADP
The Vektor CP-1 also featured a gas delayed blowback action on a polymer frame...it was recalled for safety concerns
Hans had a P7M13 with aftermarket hard chrome
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So, no one has ever tried a squeezecocker semi auto other than the P7? Somebody will eventually.
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It will, but that's an entirely different argument that could be made about any gun that is considered "expensive" in that what a $500, $1000, $2000, or $5000 pistol does is no difference than a $150 Hi Point.Yet a High Point will do the same thing.
But my example was a P365, not a Hi Point. Big difference.
+ that was 25yrs before the run on P7's..
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They were crazy expensive then too buy the standards of the day.
I wonder where the NJ State Police P7M8s ended up?
I wonder where the NJ State Police P7M8s ended up?
Having detail stripped more than one, I don't think it can be done for much less than H&K did it for
Shortly after NJSP adopted theirs, H&K made a push within LE circles. They were available to officers at $363 for the M8 and $387 for the M13
I got my retired NJSP M8 for $675 from Century Arms...the non-night sight versions were $653; those were dealer prices
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What year was that? I thought mine was a German police trade-in, but perhaps not. That price is around what I paid.
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Don't recall off hand...somewhere around 2000
None of the German police trade-ins were the M8 model. The German ones were all equipped with the heel release for the magazine and usually had the police markings ground off the slide....some were "repaired" before being sold, but you can still tell. I didn't get one, as they weren't available in CA, but I thought they were selling for < $500.
I had two PSPs, great guns I bought off a guy for $400 a piece. Used to use one as a carry piece when living outside of DC. Sold them to help pay for our wedding.
I kick myself to this day.
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