Handgun as gift to 19 year old?

[22-rimfire]

As far as I know what you and your father are planning on doing is perfectly legal. My previous comment was just to make the gunshop comfortable with the sale. Yes, you could tell the gunshop that your father is buying the gun for you and is going to give it as a birthday present or whatever. Perfectly legal. But it is up to the shop to sell your father the firearm and if they are uncomfortable, they won't sell it regardless of the law concerning gifting. The tough part is when dancing around trying to make the shop comfortable, you actually make them suspicious.

You ask if I have done this? Nope. Most shops I do business with know me already. So, there would be no question. Never tried to or wanted to buy a handgun until I was over 21.

Maybe just play it straight. Worst that can happen is you go to another shop.

 

[CZ223]

Howdy P dowg

Go to Rileys or Kittery trading post and talk with the guys there. Kittery can sell to people from NH. Because they have an office or warehouse in NH. They just have to transfer the gun from there and they do it all the time. They are very knowledgeable at both Rileys and KTP. I do not know the NH laws but I do know the Maine laws and it seems that I may run into the samekind of problem in 2 years when my daughter turns 18. In Maine, you cannot buy a handgun or ammo for a handgun until the age of 21 but, you can get your Concealed weapons permit at 18. I even knowof a police officer who was under 21 and could not legally buy ammo for the gun he wore while on duty or any other hangun for that matter. The owner of the local gun store used to love to ask him for a note from his mom.

 

[pdowg881]

Yea I bought my 870 at Kittery Trading post last year. Maybe I'll talk to them about it. Strange how I'm worried about getting in trouble for trying to obey a law instead of worrying about breaking one.

And couldn't you just tell them the 9mm is for a carbine or is that illegal too?

 

[joab]

Strange how I'm worried about getting in trouble for trying to obey a law instead of worrying about breaking one

Welcome to the wonderful world of firearms purchasing

 

[joab]

How many people have actually gone to an FFL in this situation and bought a handgun for someone under 21?
How did you handle it?

I have bought for my son and father
And as has been mentioned a truly knowledgeable clerk will give you no hassle but one who is not will refuse the sale
Why invite the inconvenienced when what you are doing is perfectly legal

The ATF beats these dealers into submission to the point that many are scared to go the least littlest bit off track for fear that you are undercover or from the Bloomberg camp

If the shop you are buying from knows you and has dealt with you before it probably would not be an issue

Whether you tell then that it is a gift or don't you are still perfectly legal, but one has the potential for ruining the sale

Colt
Clearwater is the outer limits of my route territory but I get over there from time to time and I used to be a commercial fisherman out of Tarpon
Nice towns

 

[joab]

That was probably long after I left

One day we'll have to shoot somewhere over there
I believe we have some members in that area

 

[22-rimfire]

And couldn't you just tell them the 9mm is for a carbine or is that illegal too?

I had to chuckle at this comment. I often buy 22 shells (and others) at Walmart and I prefer to just put them in my cart and pay at the main registers instead of at the sporting goods department. I just tell them the ammo is for a long gun.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Straw Purchase

A straw purchase is the act of buying a gun intended for someone who cannot legally possess a firearm.

I bought a gun for my wife. I made no bones about the fact it was for my wife. No one batted an eye. It was a gift, and she is not a "prohibited person" under the law.

I bought a pistol for my son, who is 20 and who, therefore cannot buy a pistol for himself. He can legally possess one (being an adult and all), he just can't purchase one through an FFL.

So, if Dad wants to buy a gun for Son, and Son may legally own a gun, and if Dad is making a gift of the gun, then it is not a straw purchase.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

There is nothing illegal about your father buying a handgun and then giving it to you at home. Why are you going to complicate things buy taking about it being a gift or not being a gift in front of the FFL. There is no reason to give anyone more information than they need.

Last year I was in Gander Mountain and my 19 year old son saw a pistol he really liked. It was a Taurus PT-111 Pro and he wanted it. Since the price was very right and his birthday was in a few weeks I bought it. The salesman hear him say he liked the gun but nobody discussed who the gun was for, I just bought the gun. I still own the gun but he is the one that uses the gun most of the time. It's really no big deal, go to the store, pick out a gun, tell your dad you think that gun is really nice and he should buy it. That's all, he buys the gun, you use the gun and everyone is happy. All of what I said is totally legal and nobody will be breaking laws. It is in NO WAY a straw purchase and you should not mention those words again....

 

[joab]

A straw purchase is the act of buying a gun intended for someone who cannot legally possess a firearm.

No,
A straw purchase is the act of buying a gun using other than your own money.
Whether or not the person is prohibited has nothing to do with it
This is fully explained on the back of the federal document that you sign every time you buy a firearm

There was a thread recently either here or at TFL where a guy was trying to buy an old Mosin from a similar sporting goods store
He mentioned to a friend there with him that if he didn't like the gun he would just give it away later
The manager overheard the conversation and canceled the sale
It was her personal policy not to sell a gun to someone if she thought that they might sale or give it away later, or if they belong to a shooting club
Corporate backed her up

Sure the purchase would have been legal, but the guy still went home empty handed

 

[pdowg881]

So as long as I don't mention that it's for me I can get involved in the looking and handling process witout making anybody uneasy?

 

[moxie]

pdowg881. See the NH law I quoted you above:

Here's an extract:
I. Any person who shall sell, barter, hire, lend or give to any minor any pistol or revolver shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
II. This section shall not apply to:
(a) Fathers, mothers, grandparents, guardians, administrators or executors who give a revolver to their children or wards or to heirs to an estate.

It is legal for your father to buy a gun for himself. It is legal for him to give it to you his child. It is no one's business whether or to what extent you collaborate with your father in the purchase process. If in doubt, check with your local police or the NH State Police.

 

[pdowg881]

I just worry because to be honest the last time he was involved in guns was when he did some ameteur hunting. It was probly 25 or 30 years ago, and he was a Mass resident, so He has zero experience with handguns and it actually took some time for me to teach him operation of a bolt action .22. (And he needs to be retaught every time e picks it up) I just keep thinking how strange it would seem if he doesn't even know how to handle a gun that he is buying yet I'm the one explaining everything and showing how to use them.

He even asked me what exactly happens when you buy I gun and I had to explain the 4473 to him. The only thing he said was that he remembered a foid card or something like that in Mass.

 

[Mantua]

Personally, I'd handle it the way I had people buy me booze before i was 21. I'd go into 7-11 with em, point at what I wanted and say a key phrase ("She said she wanted Natty Ice, right?"). Or wait 'till you're 21, avoid all the trouble

 

[ArfinGreebly]

joab

A straw purchase is the act of buying a gun intended for someone who cannot legally possess a firearm.

No,
A straw purchase is the act of buying a gun using other than your own money.
Whether or not the person is prohibited has nothing to do with it
This is fully explained on the back of the federal document that you sign every time you buy a firearm

Hmmm.

It seems I stand corrected.

I'll review the text on the 4473 next time I'm out shopping.

 

[pdowg881]

I'm going up to Kittery next week (sale on a bunch of stuff 18th to 24th). I've decided to go with helping him pick out what he wants so I don't make them mistakenly think we are attemting to circumvent any laws. We'll see how it goes.

 

[BullfrogKen]

My apologies for what will seem like gaps in the conversation of this thread. I had to delete several posts of a member who admitted to having a handgun purchased for him through a straw purchase. He was 17.


A kind request for the Members - rather than engage a member who admits to illegal activity, please report the post to a Moderator for review.


Thanks for your understanding.

 

[joab]

That's all right Bullfrog I have a habit of talking to myself and the wind in real life also

But wouldn't it be better to put these types of disinformational comments to rest publicly than to try to hide them away


Caimlis

What if you've got mature teenagers and want them to have defense available to them?

Then you keep the ammo separate from the gun, even if it is in the drawer next to each other
The law applies to loaded guns, I should have specified that

 

[BullfrogKen]

No joab. We don't handle instances when we have to deal with admissions to criminal activity in public. And you don't want to risk losing the board over it either, do you? Reread what I posted. They weren't "disinformational comments".

 

[joab]

Don't get bunched up Ken It was just an opinion and I don't recall his giving his age at 17.

Just like it is your opinion that we could somehow "lose the board" because one of us calls a guy out for making the claims he did.

 

[BullfrogKen]

The answers that were sought in this thread were provided. I need to close this now. Feel free to start a new thread to ask another question, pdowg881, or to report back if you so desire.