Handgun Magazines...Will They Ever Get It?

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YOU KNOW.... way back when i used to write the Handloading column for PETERSONS HANDGUNS MAGAZINE. Whenever I got a letter [LOTS !!] i could tell immediately if the writer was a reader of the gunmags as their ignorence was PROFOUND if they were not. Nothing has changed it appears. I cannot imagine a handloader not getting HANDLOADER MAGAZINE nor a sixgunner not getting the AMERICAN HANGUNNER.
Nowhere is the total ignorence more profound or the BS piled higher and deeper than on the ' vaunted ' internet.....GUSAAFB !!!
And so it goes...
I agree. I reload and I been subscribing to Handloader for ten years now and I keep every issue I also enjoy sixguns and subscribe to American Handgunner and save every issue. I get the American Rifleman because I'm a NRA life member and that's it. I used to get Guns,Guns&Ammo,G&A Handguns and Shooting Times but they no longer get my money anymore.I enjoyed Shooting Times and Guns but the cost was getting out of hand for what I was getting in return and articles that didn't interest me anymore.
 
Vote with your money

I only buy 2 gun magazines now, GUNS and GUNWORLD. I still like GUNS as the most varied and they have some of my favorite writers. I go with GUNWORLD, because they are less mainline and I can get them on my NOOK e-reader for a good price.

The only other magazine I would read on a regular basis is GUN TESTS, but I cannot get them on my e-reader, so much for that.

I have dropped all my car magazines for the same reason as I have limited my gun magazine subscriptions. They just do not provide what I want. I wrote to CAR & DRIVER, the last car magazine I had a subscription with, too tell them, that if they could not realize that the most important thing to me is reliability and quality construction, I did not need them.
I remember when they came out with an editorial reporting all the quality control problems with the OLDSMOBILE line of cars, in particular, the loaner that OLDS gave them, "AFTER THE OLDSMOBILE LINE WAS CLOSED BY GM MANAGEMENT. When did those problems start, the day before?

Same with the gun magazines. Also, I feel that most gun magazines do not cover enough different topics and in an unbiased manor.
I want to know which gun is a good buy and which one will disappoint me. I have found a number of high quality handguns that I would not buy because they are too hard kicking (for me) and some very high quality guns that I found just too light. I could handle the kick, but I simply did not enjoy shooting this gun. I also want to know which ones are a real pain to disassemble and reassemble.

I want side by side comparisons with winners and losers and to know why and also to know how important each strength and weakness was graded.
I have now found that single stack 9m.m. pistols are usually much more comfortable for me to shoot due to my hand size. However, you do not see a lot written about them, unless they are another new 1911 in 9m.m.

The problems with gun magazines is one that infects nearly every part of the news media/entertainment world. Personal bias and a search for profit ahead of integrity.
I understand the need to make a profit, but if you sacrifice your integrity to make a profit, you may end up like General Motors, being bailed out and taken over or going out of business.

Jim
 
I will again invite you to find anything I've written that displays personal bias or lack of integrity.
More generalizations without specifics.

And- what you want is for us to make up your mind for you on new purchases, which we can't do.
How can we possibly know which gun will disappoint you?

YOU need to follow up on a product you think might interest you.
We can't do that for you.

Not feasible to be constantly conducting head to head comparisons & declaring a winner, or establishing a grading system.
Our definition of a winner & our criteria for a grading system would immediately be torn apart by Internet posters who disagreed with both.

As this thread shows, what you guys want varies widely.
No gunmag can make you happy.
There's not even a consensus of what the ideal gunmag should be.
Denis
 
no, they will never "get it", no magazine or newspaper will. a magazine, or newspaper has only one bias, the internet has thousands of biases. a magazine, or newspaper cost money, the internet is free.

murf
 
A magazine, or newspaper has only one bias, the internet has thousands of biases. a magazine, or newspaper cost money, the internet is free.

Very true, but some of the advise I find on the Internet is worth exactly what I didn't pay. :uhoh:

Some advise is based on real knowledge and experience, while other is based on someone's opinion. If you have the sort of background that allows you to tell one from the other you may be good to go. Otherwise what happens next can be very expensive. ;)
 
old fuff,

that is why i clean, or replace, my b.s. filter regularly (and it's not just the internet, or gun rags). sometimes the b.s. gets through, but not very often.

after a while, comparing known good sources to the new info becomes automatic.

murf
 
that is why i clean, or replace, my b.s. filter regularly (and it's not just the internet, or gun rags). sometimes the b.s. gets through, but not very often.

Well when it come to BS filters I have found that some folks know what they know, while others think they know a lot more then they really do. :uhoh:

My point is that sometimes what you find (especially on the Internet) has some real value - and it comes free. :cool:

On the other hand some of it isn't worth the bandwidth. And clearly not everybody can tell the difference.

The same applies to purchased material (magazines, books, videos etc.) that have insights you are unlikely to find as a freebe. Those who without exception limit themselves to the no-cost options sometime miss something that they later wish they hadn't.
 
I want to know which gun is a good buy and which one will disappoint me. I have found a number of high quality handguns that I would not buy because they are too hard kicking (for me) and some very high quality guns that I found just too light. I could handle the kick, but I simply did not enjoy shooting this gun. I also want to know which ones are a real pain to disassemble and reassemble.

I want side by side comparisons with winners and losers and to know why and also to know how important each strength and weakness was graded.
I hear you!

Why does a writer spend three or four paragraphs describing the gun when there's a huge color photo of the thing stretched out across two pages? And why are criticisms of the gun couched in euphemisms like, "it's not a target gun" (read, "the damn thing won't hit the broad side of a barn!")?

No one dared criticize the Ruger GP-100 as being too front heavy, nor did they question why the thing replaced the Security-Six when the Security-Six was plenty strong enough to take full throttle .357 loads. Some idiot writers actually suggested that the Security-Six needed strengthening. No one bemoaned the extra weight of the new gun or how it destroyed it as an outdoor gun. All the articles about the Ruger and S&W being perfect outdoor guns vanished. They were now range and combat competition guns! No more photos of hunters shooting stainless Ruger and S&W 6-inch guns in the snow.

And because the production of the Security-Six and 66 stopped, so did the articles, even though there were plenty of us still using them and the used handgun market was brisk. The gun rags were always in the back pockets of the manufacturers. And if a company didn't advertise, their products weren't reviewed. I no longer read them, but I still read my old mags written in the 80s and early 90s -- the ones with the b&w photos. They're becoming very worn, but they don't have their equals today!

(And I still wonder what became of Dobe Grant and Jug Johnson...sigh!)

BTW, for those who are old (and wise) enough to remember Jug Johnson, check out his saga at:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handguns/handgun_reviews_st_jugjohnson_200812/

For you younger crowd, try getting in to this imaginary friend of Skeeter Skelton's in an era when even imaginary friends should mind their own business!

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The gunmags can't stay as stuck in the past as you are, and today's "younger generation" (as in market) isn't interested in outdated stories about Dobe & Jug from a past era.
Denis
 
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Why does a writer spend three or four paragraphs describing the gun when there's a huge color photo of the thing stretched out across two pages? And why are criticisms of the gun couched in euphemisms like, "it's not a target gun" (read, "the damn thing won't hit the broad side of a barn!")?

........The gun rags were always in the back pockets of the manufacturers. And if a company didn't advertise, their products weren't reviewed.
For you younger crowd, try getting in to this imaginary friend of Skeeter Skelton's in an era when even imaginary friends should mind their own business!......


Some of your questions are easy to answer. I used to write for several magazines, not about guns, but it was very similar in so many ways.

Writers will put together a story, with no idea which photos are going to be used. The story is supposed to be complete, even if there is barely any room for photos, and the photos that get printed are selected by an art director, not the writer, based on available space (which changes as the pages get laid out for printing).

Regarding:
......"why are criticisms of the gun couched in euphemisms like, "it's not a target gun"......
That's simple. It was a way to express your thoughts, without saying something was junk, although sometimes a product was so bad that the wording was clearer. Anyone who got used to this way of writing could immediately tell what the reviewer liked, or didn't. Hey, if someone has an "ugly nose", does anyone actually use the word "ugly"? If they're creative enough to write articles, reviews, reports, etc., they're most likely creative enough to express themselves, at least to people smart enough to catch onto this way of writing.


The magazines printed articles based on what their readers wanted to see, and the magazine tried to create a mixture of articles, so all the readers would find something they were interested in. The magazines concentrated on things that were new, at least until the internet re-defined the word "new". Most of the time, the manufacturers were people who were just involved in the hobby/sport as the people at the magazines, so it was usually a group effort.

Advertisers were usually more involved with the magazine, sending product samples for reviews, and helping support the magazine financially. Still, if the magazine thought something was interesting, or "news", they'd go out of their way to request a sample for doing a review.
 
"It's not a target gun" can be interpreted several ways. One of them is that the gun being reviewed is junk, but that may not be the case.

For what should be obvious the most important feature is "best accuracy" in a pistol, and can require closer/tighter fitting. This in turn may result in an occasional malfunction, but such a failure is usually of little consequence on a shooting range.

On the other hand a pistol that will (or may) be used as a defensive arm, the one absolute is reliability, and to obtain it some sacrifice in accuracy is not only tolerable but required.

As a rule-of-thumb a target grade pistol is not something that would be an advisable pick to stake one's life on. Hopefully readers are perceptive enough to understand this.
 
I have yet to see a "pistol brochures" magazine.
You said you don't want to read about testing of guns, you don't want to read about training. You said all you want is pertinent info such as trigger pull etc, otherwise known as "Specifications". You know, the stuff you read in gun brochures.
 
I would like gun magazines more if they would show how to completely disassemble the featured gun.
 
No room for that, as a rule.
Page space is valuable & disassembly illustrations can be found in the manual or online.
Denis
 
Before people knock "the internet" too much, maybe we should realize it's nothing more than an electronic highway system. In the same way that people can find nice or useful places to drive, they can also find nasty places, that might not even be safe.

Forums (like this one) have more than enough good people who understand things, who post good, solid, useful information. I've found that invaluable over the past few years. Of course, you need to be involved long enough, to decide who's who, and what information you accept.

It's not the "forum" that's good or bad - it's the quality of the people using and participating in the forum. If someone posts something that's incorrect, the discussion (at least here) takes care of itself. It's not like political discussions, where everyone seems to be trying to prove they're more crazy than the previous poster.....

I suppose I could spend my time on the facebook, and lead a ton of nonsense, drowning out what I might actually be looking for. Not to mention the advertising, disguising itself as additional discussions.
 
Much of that, slightly re-worded, could be said of the gunmags, too....
Denis
 
I am sure I am living in the past, recalling when gunzines were pretty good sources of information.

I dropped G&A after several months in which they:
Recycled an article from several years before without giving credit.
Printed a "review" of a new gun with no mention of any shots being fired.
Printed not one but three articles by a long time contributor with factual errors.

American Rifleman used to have a couple of pages with disassembly of some well known firearm. We seem not to be smart enough to handle such information now.

I still take AH, but I recall the period when a contributor did a column ridiculing authors in other periodicals for errors and exaggerations. That seemed unsporting, so I started proofing AH for errors and exaggerations and sending them in. He replied that I didn't understand it was all just clean fun. Right. I understand he is now a lawyer.

I took Rifle and Handloader to task for diluting their technical articles with Me and Joe Went Huntin' stories and spending money unnecessarily on inside color. The editor wrote me a very polite reply to the effect that under Wolfe and Knox, the magazines sold only by subscription, often did not cover costs with subscriptions and the rather few advertisements, and that the company really depended on book sales to make ends meet.
He said that under the then new management, the magazines had to be profit centers and were therefore reformatted for more general interest and newsstand sales.
A friend says they have a good author now, I should borrow some and see if I need to resume reading them.
 
The only Magazine I get is The American Rifleman and that is because it came with my NRA membership. I pretty much don't read anything except The Armed Citizen.
Anything you want to know or read about can be found on the net. Paper magazines cost too much. I can come to the High Road and ask a question and not get yelled at and put down like some other places on the net.
 
perusing the current issue of handloader magazine, i didn't find any "me and joe went huntin'" articles; all technical as far as i can see. all the authors put out good stuff with a lot of empirical data to back them up. it's the only mag i subscribe.

murf
 
....all technical as far as i can see.....good stuff with a lot of empirical data to back them up......


I got curious (never seen an issue) and tried to look them up on the internet. When I got to Amazon, I stopped to see what was there, and then moved on to the reviews.

https://www.amazon.com/Wolfe-Publ-Co-Handloader-Magazine/dp/B000BVEEM8

Wow, person after person seemed very satisfied with the magazine, and all of them seemed knowledgeable about handloading.

It also said it takes 8 weeks before magazines start showing up, and one person wished it was monthly.... making me wonder how often it does come out. I make periodic trips to India. If I do subscribe, I'll need to get it sent to my post office box, so I don't miss any issues.

Thanks!
 
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