Direwolf131
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A great many, born & raised in Fairbanks AK.
Handgun Myths/Rumors/ Urban Legends
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mgmorden
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I think its more of a myth that Glocks are reliable to a standard above other guns.
Glocks are plenty reliable, but so are a myriad of other modern pistols. There's nothing really special about them.
Deus Machina
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I think the Glock thing is a holdover.
They were more reliable than a lot of the stuff of the day when they were becoming popular, and they are very reliable... but so are most of the big-brand pistols now.
They were more reliable than a lot of the stuff of the day when they were becoming popular, and they are very reliable... but so are most of the big-brand pistols now.
Gaucho Gringo
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In the early days of cartridge conversions on percussion revolvers Colt made some of the new cylinders with 12 stop slots to prevent this. The problem was the slots were at the thinnest part of the cylinder(over the chamber)and with lots of use the slots eventually broke through.
lloveless
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.22lr bullets don't always go in a straight line after entering the human body. Yes they do ricochet around in the body, and have been known to follow large vessels ending up quite away from the initial path.
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RetiredUSNChief
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Very few bullets actually go in a straight line after entering the human body.
Granted, a larger mass is inherently more difficult to deflect...but deflect they do.
On that gun in the bikini?
One of my co-workers was called when a federal prisoner went through the x-ray and was found to have a gun '" inside of her body"!
Best part is that she had previously spent a month in a county jail before being taken into federal custody!
Jim
One of my co-workers was called when a federal prisoner went through the x-ray and was found to have a gun '" inside of her body"!
Best part is that she had previously spent a month in a county jail before being taken into federal custody!
Jim
MrDig
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.380 ACP isn't a powerful enough round for defense
I always ask people who say this if I can shoot them with one to prove their point.
their refusal to allow me to do so usually proves mine.
PS thanks for this thread I have enjoyed reading it thus far
I always ask people who say this if I can shoot them with one to prove their point.
their refusal to allow me to do so usually proves mine.
PS thanks for this thread I have enjoyed reading it thus far
OK - if you had no choice, would you rather be shot through your thigh with a .380 FMJ round, or a hyper velocity .22lr HP?
MrDig
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Test Pilot you again help me prove my point, no one wants to have a gun pointed at them period.
Any round is better than nothing with the possible exception of blanks. I would rather have a 380acp than an entrenching tool. If all I had was the e-tool I would use it as best I could.
Any round is better than nothing with the possible exception of blanks. I would rather have a 380acp than an entrenching tool. If all I had was the e-tool I would use it as best I could.
mgmorden
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No, I don't think you're quite understanding it.
Your original premise was that
"A person isn't willing to be shot with round X, so therefore it is viable for self defense."
That position isn't logical. By that logic - would the average person let you punch them in the face? No? Well then you don't even need a gun at all. Fists work just as well according to your premise.
How about a pellet rifle? Bow and arrow? Heck I won't let someone throw a rock at me but I'm not about to go strolling around with a pocket full of pebbles.
Bottom line - that a person won't volunteer to take a shot in the chest from any given round in no way makes it suitable for self-defense.
MrDig
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No I don't think you are understanding it. but that is ok I really do get it.
Caliber snobs will tell you they won't shoot anything under xx caliber. The reality is "Ya dance with the gal ya came with." If all you have is xx caliber learn to shoot it well.
Caliber snobs will tell you they won't shoot anything under xx caliber. The reality is "Ya dance with the gal ya came with." If all you have is xx caliber learn to shoot it well.
Kuyong_Chuin
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1. putting your finger in a barrel of a gun stop it from firing.
2. You can shoot 27 times out of a single action six shooter without reloading and only 3 bullets in the gun. (Watch the end of the John Wayne movie The Sons of Katie Elder)
3. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and will blow you head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: are you nuts?
4. You can kill something without leaving a trace of the bullet behind by using an ice bullet.
5. You can shoot a hangman rope in two with one shot while the guy is in the middle of the drop.
2. You can shoot 27 times out of a single action six shooter without reloading and only 3 bullets in the gun. (Watch the end of the John Wayne movie The Sons of Katie Elder)
3. But being this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world and will blow you head clean off, you've gotta ask yourself a question: are you nuts?
4. You can kill something without leaving a trace of the bullet behind by using an ice bullet.
5. You can shoot a hangman rope in two with one shot while the guy is in the middle of the drop.
First you say 380ACP is powerful enough for defense.
Now you say you are arguing on the basis of "better than nothing."
No. I did not help you prove your point. Unless your point is "I am the kind of person who changes the game rules when I lose at my own game then pretend like that was the original game."
MrDig
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I never changed the rules, I'm not a caliber snob. Dance with the gal you brought. If you think .380acp is an ineffective round let someone shoot you with one. If you wouldn't let someone do that, don't tell me my point is invalid.
I wouldn't let anyone point a gun at me and get away with it. I don't care how big or small the caliber.
My point being, if you think like I do about a firearm being pointed at you a .380 acp is in fact an effective SD/HD round.
This is way off the original topic so lets agree to disagree and let the thread get back on point
I wouldn't let anyone point a gun at me and get away with it. I don't care how big or small the caliber.
My point being, if you think like I do about a firearm being pointed at you a .380 acp is in fact an effective SD/HD round.
This is way off the original topic so lets agree to disagree and let the thread get back on point
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Myth: "They" banned SS190 5.7x28 for being armor piercing, and Black Talon for being too effective
" If you think .380acp is an ineffective round let someone shoot you with one."
Really?
"Well apparently the .380 won't do any damage whatsoever"
Seriously? Hyperbole much? Tell you what; I'll go out tomorrow and buy a 380 and... you see how stupid this is?
Of course 380 is sufficient for self defense, and even offense. A great many WWI and II era guns were chambered in similar power level cartridges. That's not to say that much better alternatives haven't been developed. No need to be so defensive
TCB
" If you think .380acp is an ineffective round let someone shoot you with one."
Really?
"Well apparently the .380 won't do any damage whatsoever"
Seriously? Hyperbole much? Tell you what; I'll go out tomorrow and buy a 380 and... you see how stupid this is?
Of course 380 is sufficient for self defense, and even offense. A great many WWI and II era guns were chambered in similar power level cartridges. That's not to say that much better alternatives haven't been developed. No need to be so defensive
TCB
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MrDig
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Well apparently the .380 won't do any damage whatsoever, therefore it safe as hell to allow some to shoot you with it right? after all they are so ineffective as to be a non issue.
Carl N. Brown
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Atlas of Forensic Pathology "Small caliber bullets and lead shot may enter blood vessels or the heart and be embolized to distant parts of the body far removed from the point of entrance."-page 63.
"embolized" means an object (.22 bullet, bird shot, blood clot, air bubble or other matter) gets passively transported by the blood stream until it can go no further and blocks an artery.
The most common story from the 1970s was that a man was shot in the chest with a .22 Short RG10 and the bullet was found in the femoral artery of his leg.*
When Dick Cheney shot his hunting companion, the medics watched him closely out of fear the bird shot would enter the blood stream and block an artery in the heart or brain. l
*("Killer demon Saturday Night Special .22 Short Rhoem Gun RG Model 10, shoot someone in the toe and the bullet ricochets about the body ending up anywhere." Even Robert Sherrill author of an anti-gun book entitled "Saturday Night Special" admitted that if the SNS was that deadly, why isn't the Army using it?)
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Funny. I have taken hundreds of game with the .22lr. Why didn't any of them have and exit wound nowhere in relation to their entrance wound? Or when field dressed, why wasn't the bullet in an entirely different area of the body then the entrance?
Went in and out or stoped liked most any other round.
RetiredUSNChief
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Can we agree that there is such a thing as "one shot stop" stopping power?
A little unwieldy, I agree; it definitely won't fit "Inside the Waistband."
Yes.
Wanna trade shots?
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