Handgun Myths/Rumors/ Urban Legends

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Re: 120mm APFSDS rounds, the US uses a depleted uranium (DU) alloy for the penetrator. It is pyrophoric, meaning any shards or fragments that occur as a result of impact ignite. The results are a spectacular shower of sparks when the round hits the front of the enemy tank, horrific things happen inside the tank, and a spectacular shower of sparks when the round exits the far side.
My knowledge comes from training films viewed as an Army Ammunition Ordnance Officer in the mid-80's. We were training to pass out these goodies to the tankers. I'll defer to any actual users of these things but if they behave on real targets like they do in demonstrations there is no need to double up. You'll know when the bad guy has taken a hit.

US Navy 16" armor piercing rounds only had about 40 pounds of high explosive out of a 2700 pound as fired weight. The high explosive version for shore bombardment had 153 out of 1900 pounds as fired weight. Check out www.navweaps.com for oodles of details. These amounts of explosive seem low but in reality the US Navy put more explosives into their shells than did competing navies. Google pictures of the damage the USS Massachusetts caused to the Jean Bart, a modern, well armored battleship, with those AP shells with "only" 40 pounds of explosive each.
Hitting a destroyer with an AP shell wouldn't likely set it off. AP shells are base fuzed and the shell might not encounter enough resistance to set it off. If an HC shell hit a destroyer again it was an iffy thing. The shell might go off, the nose fuse might be destroyed on impact before it could activate, or the time delay may be set such that it detonates after passing through the "tin can".

Dan

Yes, if you look at the literature from the "big gun" era they typically quoted energy in foot-tons!
 
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In the myth department, how about the story that a battleship fired "bullets as big as a Vollkswagen", a staple of "big gun" stories.

The original story probably said shells almost as heavy as a Volkswagen, but our ever-accurate "journalists" changed it to be more dramatic.

Jim
 
DanTheFarmer: I can't open the website linked, but if the pictures are the oft-repeated post-battle shots of Jean Bart, then that is a myth all in itself. The heavy shell-plating damage fore and aft was caused by a U.S. Navy Dauntless strike prior to the battleship bombardment. The aerial bombs used had a much higher component of high explosive than the 16" shells.

U.S.S. Massachussetts 16" hits did manage to jam the Jean Bart's only operational main turret, and one shell penetrated to the secondary turret magazine, which would have been catastrophic if the ship was fully operational and had secondary ammunition on board. 16" shells also managed to sink a large passenger/cargo ship on the opposite side of the quay from Jean Bart.

Bare-bones details are provided on the Jean Bart Wikipedia entry, and a complete blow-by-blow description in Garzke and Dulin's Aliied Battleships in WWII.
 
Bramage,

Thanks for the double check. The site is www.navweaps.com. I edited my original post as well.

Thanks for the reminder about the air strikes on the Jean Bart. The pictures I've seen were indeed taken after Allied forces had taken the harbor. Thus the damage shown would have been all damage suffered, including the air strikes. I visited the USS Massachusetts in Fall River, Mass, a few years ago and they had a mangled 16" shell that had been fished out of the harbor after hitting the Jean Bart. It is impressive to think of being 20 or so miles away and accurately shooting this big hunk 'o metal. My guess is that the mangled shell is the one that jammed the Jean Bart's turret.

Interesting stuff!

Dan
 
JimK said:
In the myth department, how about the story that a battleship fired "bullets as big as a Vollkswagen", a staple of "big gun" stories.

I thought it was "Guns as big as Steers and shells as big as trees" :D
 
the one that drives me nuts is the morons who think bigger caliber = better. had a guy tell me he has a 45 because he has to have the biggest and baddest. guys with 45s who laugh at 357mag and say its small. a guy who has a 45 was talking about recoil and the 357mag came up and he said he could handle one easily because he has a 45 and can handle it so a 357mag would be easy to shoot.

also when people say 45 long colt... its 45 colt. also drives me nuts when people call revolvers pistols
 
the one that drives me nuts is the morons who think bigger caliber = better. had a guy tell me he has a 45 because he has to have the biggest and baddest. guys with 45s who laugh at 357mag and say its small. a guy who has a 45 was talking about recoil and the 357mag came up and he said he could handle one easily because he has a 45 and can handle it so a 357mag would be easy to shoot.

also when people say 45 long colt... its 45 colt. also drives me nuts when people call revolvers pistols

Heh! You did, of course, point out to him that there are handguns out there with even bigger calibers? :D
 
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My favorite is the one where your home defense shotgun needs a nine shot tube and a side-saddle with six more shells. As though the bad guy is going to keep advancing on you after you touch off the first shot.

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My favorite is when people are willing to bet their lives that they'll only need one shot to scare off an attacker.

This is a myth you've heard? I'm pushing 50 years old and I've never heard anyone make that claim, much less heard it enough to call it an urban legend or myth.
 
I already have to fight the ladies away. You'd be surprised how many females are attracted to a man in a codpiece and tights.
 
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Heh! You did, of course, point out to him that there are handguns out there with even bigger calibers?

Chief, I've been thinking about CCing my 500 magnum. It'll be much better than a 45, 'cause it's bigger.


I CC my 454 in a 5 in barrel SRH. :)
 
Mainsail, you haven't been paying attention to the real experts. Our beloved Vice President and expert in all things, said that all you have to do is point a shotgun out the window and fire and the burglars will run away.

Of course, he didn't say what to do if the burglar was inside the house, but then he has a few thousand Secret Service agents protecting him, so he might not have a lot of experience in home defense.

Jim
 
One of the biggest tales told to all the new shooters is that caliber makes no difference because the modern ammo has made them all equal.
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Does anyone seriously know of any firearms that "just go off" when casually handled?

Sort of: a 90+ year-old Crescent SXS. (not my pic, but the same model)
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On the particular one I'm familiar with, if it were loaded, cocked, and dropped on hard ground from waist height, there's a good chance one or both barrels would fire. Hanging it over the fireplace and slamming a nearby door might do it too.

You are mostly right - any reasonably modern firearm, from any decent manufacturer, that is in working order (or even most states of disrepair) won't be an issue.

Which points out an interesting thing about some of these myths: when great-granddad told it to granddad, it may have been true, it just needs to be updated for today. Corollary: if you're handling granddad's gun, it might pay to listen to granddad. ;)
 
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