Vern Humphrey
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Kinda makes one wish - - - Nah, I won't go there.
Handguns and a Balanced Life
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Vern Humphrey
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Really? Where is the right to be defended by someone else? Which article or amendment?
(Hint: The Court has ruled there is no individual right to police protection.)
Hokie_PhD
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Unfortunately in places like Massachusetts they don’t believe in the Constitution with crap like Duty TO Flee. I’m sorry but that just sounds like a violation of the 2nd and also a handout to criminals.
Vern Humphrey
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And a violation of the 5th amendment as well.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
No law can require you to surrender your life to a criminal.
I concealed carry and I also can run and run is exactly what I would do before every considering using my weapon on another human, bad guy or not. Only if cornered and in defense of my wife or family, friend or innocent would I choose to not run or stop running away and then choose to use my weapon.
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I will remind you of your own question, as you seem to have forgotten what you asked. You asked what right someone had to ASK for protection. You did NOT ask what right someone had to protection. In America, the right to Freedom of Speech is recognized by our Constitution, such you can ASK whoever you want for anything you want... Doesn't mean you'll get it, but you have an inherent right to ask for it.
Vern Humphrey
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I forgot that some people think sophistry is sensible.
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This could not have been said better.
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No straw man here - while I might agree it's an unfair expectation for someone to believe others to do for them what they're unwilling, it's not so surprising to have anyone ASK for it. Walk into any of a dozen bars in any of a hundred college towns in our country and you'll see a lot of unreasonable requests being made. It's America, we can ask for anything. American teens think it's sensible to ask for the privilege of influence based on age, in the same breath asking for a restriction of privilege based on age - and they are guaranteed their right to ask insensible questions is protected, just as the right to bear arms is so. Doesn't mean they'll get what they ask for, doesn't even mean what they're asking for makes the least bit of sense, but it's un-American to say they can't ask for it.
Vern Humphrey
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straw man
[ˌstrô ˈman]
NOUN
strawman (noun)
- an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
"her familiar procedure of creating a straw man by exaggerating their approach"
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I guess I saw Vern's question as one of ethical rights, integrity, and personal responsibility, not one about Constitutional rights.
Lots of behavior I would consider lazy, illogical, and lacking gumption are allowed under the Constitution. That doesn't make them acceptable behaviors to many of us.
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Seen on most every cop car is the phase "to protect and to serve". I believe this makes many folks believe they are entitled to protection. The R.O. in the Florida shooting is a prime example that is not guaranteed. Like many things in life, T.V and movies have given us a impression that we believe is truth. One of those is that every cop is either a bonafide hero or a bonafide crook. I think the truth is somewhere in between.
Folks do tho, have a right to decide how and how much they protect them and theirs. How far they go as for PD is no different than how far they go as for home security. Some folks have three or more locks on their doors, while their neighbor may never lock their doors. Both probably consider the other "extreme".
What any of this has to do with a "balanced life" is beyond me tho.........
Vern Humphrey
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It puzzles me, too.
Here in little Mountain View, Arkansas (pop 2754) there is a billboard advertising a Concealed Handgun License instructor. It carries the motto, "Your protection is your responsibility." Let each man or woman make his or her own decision -- and live with it.
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Holy Crud!
I am very, very thankful that myself, or any of my family or acquaintances, has Never been “excited” about the possibility of being in a life or death confrontation.
I am very, very thankful that myself, or any of my family or acquaintances, has Never been “excited” about the possibility of being in a life or death confrontation.
gulogulo1970
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Here is the deal in a nutshell, I have a spare tire, hope to never need it but know how to use it. I have several fire extinguishers, I hope to never need to use them but know how to use them. I have guns and hope to never need them but train as if I might. These things don't make me paranoid only prepared.
True, they tend to frown on mall ninjas and part-time operators here. That's probably for the best.
As far as taking an APC to the Quikie-Mart for eggs? What's wrong with that? There was a fellow in Rockford where I grew up who drove his M59 to the store sometimes. They even had a special parking spot for him....View attachment 785582
Okay, that does it! I want an Ontos! Perfect for grocery shopping and great for prairie dogs too.
cal44mag
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I don't see much sign of people wanting/hoping to get into a gun fight.
But I do occasionally read posts (on various forums, not so much here) by people who seem to have read so many worst case scenario stories that their focus on self defense seems obsessive.
They figure a 5 round snub is fine, but what if you are attacked by more than 2 or 3 bad guys.
So, then you need a semi 9mm with 15 rounds.
And then someone posts a story about a BG getting hit by 10 rounds of 9mm and continuing the fight.
So you need a 40 or a 45. And then, what if 15 rounds isn't enough or your mag fails? Better bring a second 15 round mag.
The they read that that might not be enough, so better carry a couple or 3 or 4 extra mags.
Plus a second hand gun. And why not throw in a third snub on your ankle.
Plus, better have an AR in your car trunk with at least four 30 round mags, in case civil order breaks down on your way to the supermarket.
Sometimes it seems to me people are gradually driven into a level of paranoia that would only be justified if they lived in Baghdad.
But I do occasionally read posts (on various forums, not so much here) by people who seem to have read so many worst case scenario stories that their focus on self defense seems obsessive.
They figure a 5 round snub is fine, but what if you are attacked by more than 2 or 3 bad guys.
So, then you need a semi 9mm with 15 rounds.
And then someone posts a story about a BG getting hit by 10 rounds of 9mm and continuing the fight.
So you need a 40 or a 45. And then, what if 15 rounds isn't enough or your mag fails? Better bring a second 15 round mag.
The they read that that might not be enough, so better carry a couple or 3 or 4 extra mags.
Plus a second hand gun. And why not throw in a third snub on your ankle.
Plus, better have an AR in your car trunk with at least four 30 round mags, in case civil order breaks down on your way to the supermarket.
Sometimes it seems to me people are gradually driven into a level of paranoia that would only be justified if they lived in Baghdad.
NIGHTLORD40K
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If the canister rounds don't get em, the very sight of it will scare them to death.....
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Hey I had an M50 Ontos when I was a kid...well it was the 1/32nd scale plastic model version anyways (Monogram?), but I thought it was a super cool fighting vehicle with those six 106mm. recoiless rifles on it!
Hey I had an M50 Ontos when I was a kid...well it was the 1/32nd scale plastic model version anyways (Monogram?), but I thought it was a super cool fighting vehicle with those six 106mm. recoiless rifles on it!
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Vern Humphrey
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I'll bet you have automobile insurance and homeowners insurance, too.
And I'll bet you never woke up and said to yourself, "I won't have a flat today, so I'll leave my spare at home." Or "I won't have a fire this year, so I'll let my homeowner's insurance lapse."
Vern Humphrey
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I have a bit of experience with those things in Viet Nam -- my brigade was Opcon to the 3rd MarDiv. The Ontos has four problems:
1. It has extremely high ground pressure -- higher than any other tracked vehicle except for the HAWK launcher. During the monsoon, this practically trapped them in place.
2. It has one hell of a signature when fired.
3. It cannot fight from hull down positions.
4. You have to get out to reload.
NIGHTLORD40K
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"Tell ya what, I'll spot you another $20 before we leave Saigon, but YOU get to reload the rifles next week, deal?"
That is my philosophy as well. A handgun is NOT a death ray and I have no obligation, (legally, ethically or otherwise) to protect anyone but myself and my family. I might reconsider under the right circumstances but in general I have no interest in playing the hero. I've noticed many people in CCW classes over the years who seem to believe they would do otherwise. Maybe they would but I suspect most would not, just as I believe most of the internet commandos would ultimately choose self preservation above all else. OP needs to lighten up and not take the internet so seriously. It's already been said in this thread that those who do the most tend to talk the least and the biggest talkers do (and often have done) the least.
Vern Humphrey
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How's about we hot-wire that M48 tank and pretend it's an Ontos?"Tell ya what, I'll spot you another $20 before we leave Saigon, but YOU get to reload the rifles next week, deal?"
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