Happy New Year, Rant, It's a Firearm ..

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Ok so the year begins and I have to say once again that I am so very tired of reading/hearing the word "Weapon" from people that should know and understand the difference.

A weapon is a tool which is intended to or is used to injure, kill a person, damage or destroy property, or to otherwise render resources non-functional or unavailable. Weapons may be used to attack and defend, and consequently also to threaten or protect. ...

A firearm is a device that can be used as a weapon that fires either single or multiple projectiles propelled at high velocity by the gases produced through rapid, confined burning of a propellant. This process of rapid burning is technically known as deflagration. ...


See the difference, one is...... and the other can be used as................

Sorry, I just get a little upset that those of us that should use the correct term, don't, Even the NRA says it's a Firearm. It sounds like the evening news around here, honestly.

Now, back to my Scotch. <Rant Off>
 
But I'm tired of being politically correct.

If it is in my hands and I am using it to STOP an attacker it's a weapon. If it's in my holster I never forget it's a potential weapon. If I am admiring someone else's "firearm" I usually say "that's a fine weapon."

Works for me
 
I actually try to use firearm all the time, and I never call it a weapon. I agree with you.
 
I must agree with Rimmer on this one. I have several items in my house other than guns that I would use as a weapon if needed. But I still call them what they are. Knife, ball bat, golf club...

RH
 
word games are not games that can ever be won to me both can be and are interchangeable

weapon is a tool which is intended to or is used to injure
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if it wernt intended would it be a weapon still? example we are at the range and my gun(hunting rifle) shoots at a target but by freak accident the bullet comes back and kills the guy next to me. The officer asks if I discharged my weapon just prior to the man being hit. So what do I say no because theoreticaly its not a weapon its a firearm but only because I did not intend to kill the guy next to me but if he were a deer then by all means it was a weapon?

As arguemenitive as it is can you see my point?
Word games samantics what ever you want to call it always turns into a manuvering game but if you keep it simple they have no where to go with it.
 
This argument has been done ad nauseum. For example, see the thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=326204

Read my most in that thread.

It is a worthless argument and caters to antis. I get upset with folks who think that such verbal or rhetorical sophistry will convince those oppose to RKBA to let you have a toy or a tool.

You do not have the Constitutionally protect right to have an electric drill or go bowling. Neither have the primary purposes of protecting yourself and family and/or preventing tyranny.

If only the Jews in the Warsaw ghettos had electric drills, bowling bowls or tools. If only the Australians and Brits could have kept their tools and toys.
 
Well until I'm no longer a Marine, I'll be calling my "firearms" weapons (and if they're rifles, I'll call them rifles OR weapons).

Once a Marine, Always a Marine
 
A well regulated biathlon team being necessary to the success of the United States in the Winter Olympics medal count, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

No, mine's a weapon and I reserve the right to use that term when I find it appropriate.
 
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Yeah, I have trouble even saying the word "gun" because of the corps. I can say rifle, and I can say weapon. But any time the word "gun" pops into my mind, it conjures imagery of a screaming skull wrapped in flames wearing a campaign cover.

It's amazing how long that conditioning lasts. I was only in the corps for 6 year.

I find this semantic line between "weapon" and "firearm" as just that. Semantics. The purpose of a firearm is to kill. How is that not a weapon? Firearm's just a more specific term, where weapon is a more broad category which includes firearms. Does "weapon" sound scarier?
 
I look at it this way.

A car is a vehicle. So is a van, a scooter or a skateboard.

A gun *can* be a weapon, just like anything else swung or thrown fast enough. Or it can just be...a gun.
 
?!?

A vehicle is a means of transportation intended to convey a person from one point to another.

A car is a device that can be used as a vehicle that usually has a means to provide power and mechanisms for operation from within.



See, the difference is, one is......and the other can be used as............


So, if I use a weapon, it could be a crossbow. Yet, if I use a firearm, it must be a.......firearm.

Consequently, If I exit a vehicle, I could be getting out of a Conestoga Wagon. Yet, if I exit a car, I must be getting out of a........car.

My question is........How can one use the term "weapon" incorrectly? Firing a weapon? If my weapon happens to be a firearm, I can fire it. Since a firearm is classified as a weapon, what instance is the word weapon incorrectly used when referring to a firearm? It is a weapon. Now if I say "fire a weapon" without a reference, I understand. A weapon might not be able to be fired if it happens to be a sword or a club.
 
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Yeah, what's this "firearms" stuff? Real men don't have firearms. They have "weapons," "blasters," "gats," "shooters," and "pieces."

What's the point of having a gun if you can't stand up and say "I am a killer and I have a weapon." Helps keep the sheeple in line, lets them know you're a warrior, an operator, a tactical kind of guy.

Puts it on the line. Says it the way it is. They don't like it, they can try getting gun control laws passed. Just let them try. The Second Amendment won't let them do it.

:rolleyes:
 
A vehicle is a means of transportation intended to convey a person from one point to another.
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As long as we're arguing semantics, the definition of vehicle is not limited to means of physical conveyance for humans. :neener:

While I tend to agree with the OP that weapon is not always the best word to use when referring to firearms, it is the intended purpose for most of them, and all can be used as such.

I personally will use the word firearm, rifle, pistol, revolver, handgun, shotgun, etc. in an effort to minimize negative perception. But I also will not challenge someone who refers to his or her firearm as a weapon.
 
The issue is that every attempt to protect the rights to own guns based on some attempt to use the tool, sport or other analogy - not based on their lethal use - has failed.

Speaking to this usage as the rationale for the 2nd Amend. does not make you a raving gun nut. If one thinks so, it's time to hunt for varmints with Romney who wants to ban particularly lethal tools.
 
My firearms are weapons

If they weren't I'd sell them and buy something that was.

I prefer modern, high speed, lead delivery weapons than some others, but in a pinch, a bowling ball or the contents of my tool box would serve.

The only other way I can think about this is: All of them are tools, I am the weapon.:scrutiny:
 
Now, back to my Scotch. <Rant Off>
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Your what? You've got Liver Destruction Devices in your house along with your Handheld Baby and Puppy Killers?


or maybe you think they're your Stress Reducing Solvent and your Most Precious Things (That Means Your Beautiful Wife and Angelic Children) Defense Devices.


I'll go with the assault rifle bit, and clip versus magazine is valid (though by this point it just gets dragged out in a high-road attempt to troll) but the fundamental power of a gun is in its ability to facilitate violence.

This whole "I didn't kill him.. the bullets and the fall killed him" line is some 8th dan blackbelt gun kata junk.

I carry a gun because I am willing to hurt someone badly. It's the circumstances in which I am willing to hurt someone that determine if I'm good or bad - though to many, my simple willingness is enough. THAT's the part we have to change.
 
As Hunter Ed instructors it's beaten into us not to use the "W" word. However, I haven't overcome military habituation either.
 
22 years after my military duty, its still hard for me to say "gun", but I'm saying it more these days. Both words are just terms of application, and neither is an offensive word. Someone already mentioned their refusal to pander to the anti's or political correctness. Actually I think that's a good idea.
 
Every one of my guns is a firearm, a tool, and a weapon. If I were to tell some anti-gun person that my guns are not weapons I would be a hypocrite and a liar.

The RKBA and the 2nd Amendment are about weapons, pure and simple.
 
A weapon is a tool which is intended to or is used to injure, kill a person, damage or destroy property, or to otherwise render resources non-functional or unavailable. Weapons may be used to attack and defend, and consequently also to threaten or protect
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um safety law number 2 never point a gun at something you don't want to destroy.


Last time I checked even shooting at a paper target is destroying something.

Firearm= weapon.
 
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