Has an anti ever visited the board?

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I am Anti-gun-control and pro-criminal-control. If the government can't control it's criminals then it should have no right to try and control its law abiding citizens. The purpose behind gun control laws is to control all citizens because a few are criminals. You just can't justify taking away the right of self defense to all.
 
Then, when I mention that as a responsible gun owner, CCW holder I practice for proficiency, study the local laws and practice awareness, avoidance and de-escalation tactics (Something they have never heard of....) that usually either shuts them up or relegates them too... yeah, well... (Pull a number out of your arse) kids die each year from firearms... and I laugh and leave when they get heated.
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You aren't the problem, nor are you the reason the anti's get so agitated, in all honesty with good reason.

Our problem is the boneheads who do none of the things you mentioned, who take no responsibility. They buy guns and ammunition but do not bother to learn to use them safely or responsibly. They don't store them safely and too often kids do get their hands on the guns. They shoot at anything that thrills them any time they feel like it, or they think they are Rambo on steroids, or have anger management problems, and a very high percentage of them are just plain stupid. They have no regard for anyone else, carry without permits, etc. ad nauseam. We all know some of them.

They have absolutely no business with guns. But they're the first to start knee-jerk yelping about any infringement of their God give right to be jerks or worse. They do not help us, and there are far too many of them.
 
I personally don't have a problem with the lack of transparency with the BATFE on matters like CavArms.
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Perfect example of some Pro's being ok with some forms of restrictions that only an anti would condone.

Justin
 
Ya know, I stated my opinion, it's there for all to read. In a world filled with billions of people how unfortunate that mine or anyone else's might fall in line with someone or something we despise. This world must be a living hell for you.

I think that children should honor and respect their parents. My pastor at church said that, good people that I know and respect have said that. On the other hand in my readings I have come across information that said Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy and Adolph Hitler felt the same way. Since the wise and all knowing here have convinced me that I can only "regurgitate" the thoughts of others help me to understand. Am I parroting the good or evil?
Here's another thing I have learned from some of you here, since my opinion conflicts with yours I am a racist, elitist Nazi. Nope, no irony there.
 
Uh, what does this have to do with the discussion?

Go vent elsewhere. Anti's and nazi's are watching. :)

PM's work great since your targeting a select user here.

Justin
 
I think I'm an 'anti' (or, at least it's been repeated over and over and over because I don't necessarily agree with some here).

But heck, I could easily see BECOMING an real 'anti' if this is the 'pro' reception to alternate opinions. Maybe they have cookies and milk too.....
 
Look at that! Two within 3 posts of each other. Gives that nice warm fuzzy feeling of conflict already....

At least you know where the door is if you don't get your milk and cookies Cskny. lol

Justin
 
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Here's another thing I have learned from some of you here, since my opinion conflicts with yours I am a racist, elitist Nazi.
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Anti-gunners use EXACTLY the same tactics as Holocaust deniers.

1. Concoct a "solution" to a nonexistent "problem" that harms people whom you hate and fear. Examples: "Resettlement to the East". Banning private sales of firearms.

2. Invent a "problem" for which your malicious desires are the only "solution". Examples: Jewish "control" of the banks and media. The "gunshow loophole".

3. Invent, dishonestly manipulate or mis-characterize "facts" and statistics. Examples: "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". "43 times more likely".

4. Lie through omission. Examples: "No showers at Auschwitz". "N times more likely".

5. Search out the uninformed and the gullible. Examples: Trolling usenet and web history forums. Trolling usenet talk.politics.guns, TheHighRoad.org, etc.

6. Repetition, repetition, repetition.

Profound malice and dishonesty are the core of both movements.
 
I, for one, would welcome an anti provided they could adhere to the high road. Quite frankly I would like the chance to try and understand their POV. However, having seen the amount of vitriol given to those with differing opinions I doubt they would be given the chance.
 
, for one, would welcome an anti provided they could adhere to the high road. Quite frankly I would like the chance to try and understand their POV.
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An honest anti is a welcome thing here. Because if they are honest they can be shown the silliness of their beliefs and that those beliefs really have no basis in reality. An anti who takes an honest look at this ends up in 2 places;

1) They realize that they have been lied to by other anti groups and the "problems" they have always been told about don't actually exist or
2) They realize they have been lied to but still remain anti because of a "feeling". If they will just be honest and say "look, you have shown me facts but I am still simply just scared of guns" I can live with that too, it's honest. A shame really, but honest.

It's the guys that continue to say things like "well, those FBI crime statistics are made up by people who are afraid of the NRA" or "you just want to give machine guns to toddlers and felons" and "You want to be able to buy nukes at Wal Mart" that are the real annoying types. Everything they post is based on dishonesty.

No basis in reality, and when presented with facts they discount any quoted source of information that disagrees with their position. They lie in their arguments, they misquote facts and figures, and generally try to spread conflict between gun owners, basically the AHSA style.

And yes, there are plenty of all of those types that post here.
 
You want anti's, go to yahoo answers. it's pretty funny, some of the stuff in the political and hunting section. oh, the vegetarian section is pretty funny too.
 
An honest anti is a welcome thing here.
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They're as rare as coelacanths.

I know ONE. He has no made up "statistics" or "reasonable measures". He wants to BAN handguns simply because he doesn't like them. Of course he's a Marxist who makes Obama look like Jessie Helms.

What he wants is evil, but at least he's honest about it.
 
Officers'Wife-I, for one, would welcome an anti provided they could adhere to the high road. Quite frankly I would like the chance to try and understand their POV. However, having seen the amount of vitriol given to those with differing opinions I doubt they would be given the chance.


What is "adhere"? I think if you really want to hear alternate opinions, you might want to get some of the folks around here to quiet down just a touch, because alternate ideas seem to be interpreted as an attack on their 'holinesses' themselves. If you don't understand, just read the posts that come after my last one.

And in this thread I simply made a joke, with a subtle point.

Don't think I offended anyone or said anything controversial but, does it matter, nah....
 
Officers'Wife-I, for one, would welcome an anti provided they could adhere to the high road. Quite frankly I would like the chance to try and understand their POV. However, having seen the amount of vitriol given to those with differing opinions I doubt they would be given the chance.
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See if these work better for you:

Go to the NAACP blog and suggest reinstating de jure racial segregation.

Go to GLAAD's facebook page and recommend the passage of anti-sodomy laws.

Go to the ADL's facebook page and advocate the reinstatement of the Nuremberg Laws. Do you think that claiming to be Jewish will make that more palatable?

You come to a discussion forum for gun owners and advocate direct attacks on the rights of gun owners and expect... what, exactly?
 
We all wish that the world was a safe place, and we all realize that something needs to change. We just disagree about what that is. Will violence be gone if either side had their way? Of course not! But I am a firm believer that there are 2 kinds of people; sheep, and wolves. Given the choice between being a victimized sheep or being a fiercer wolf than the bad guy, I'll be the damned baddest wolf I can be.
 
Given the choice between being a victimized sheep or being a fiercer wolf than the bad guy, I'll be the damned baddest wolf I can be.
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The anti responses:

"You're just being paranoid! Anybody who carries a gun is a ticking timebomb"

"You don't need a gun, the police will protect you! (even though the law says they don't have to, and statistics and common sense say they CAN'T)"

"The criminal will just take your gun away (but you can't take it back)!"

"Guns aren't effective for self-defense... but pepper spray is!"

"If people defend themselves with guns, innocents will be shot. It's better to LET somebody shoot you to death for CERTAIN than to RISK accidentally shooting a bystander!"

"A 110lb. woman can't defend herself with a gun from a 210lb. rapist... but she can bare handed!"

"You can trust a woman with an F-15... but not a Glock 19!"

The anti-gun movement is a filthy pit of lies, bigotry, misogyny, cowardice and schadenfreude, and every AHSA shill who does "driveby" posts here just hammers that home more than the last one.
 
Officer's Wife,
"I, for one, would welcome an anti provided they could adhere to the high road. Quite frankly I would like the chance to try and understand their POV."
Speaking as a branded anti I would be more than happy to discuss my point of view with you. I am also confident in my abilities to remain high road and not prove to be a dissapointment.
" However, having seen the amount of vitriol given to those with differing opinions I doubt they would be given the chance." Sadly, I must agree with you.
 
I didn't know confused Not-sure-I-Am-anti's were such drama queens. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

Now where did I leave my can of verbal abuse....


And the OP asked, and thus he did received. LOL

Justin
 
I seem to remember a very large thread from a few years back where a new member joined, stated up front that he leaned anti and didn't own guns and was curious about our point of view. A 12 page-plus reasonable and polite discussion between him and the board followed. His user information (at least a year or two ago when I dug up the thread, I think it was linked to by sm) said he was still actively reading the board, and although he had less than twenty posts, I think one of them was about buying his first gun. I can't seem to find it now, but it was posted back when Tamara was a mod, so its fairly old. The board has gotten a lot bigger and changed somewhat in overall "personality" since then, I'm not sure something like that would happen again.
 
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Ah...I hear that little voice inside saying "fool me once, shame on you..blah blah blah". With many of the posters from that 'other' thread present and at full post speed - this is obviously going nowhere (backing statistics not necessary). We don't need this to turn into "gun-show" part II.

My only point for this thread:

LRS_Ranger - That's a amazingly reasonable response and it would be an awesome starting point for a great conversation. I'd love to hear your thoughts in more detail on some more specific issues.

But, THR is just not going to be the place where that conversation happens. Unfortunately, in my opinion, that really diminishes the overall value of THR.
 
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