Has anyone ever used a rental unit to store your collection? if so read...

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I think this particular article was appropriate for both THR and APS so if you want to discuss the many other aspects of this particular city council's decision please take it there.

What I'm interested in discussing here are the particulars concerning firearm owners with storage concerns.
I know many have to store their collection outside of the home for various reasons.
How would the following impact your decision to use a rental storage unit for said purpose?
Source:
Lenexa tracks storage units
Police are given the authority to monitor rental lists as a way to block criminal activity.
By EDIE HALL
The Kansas City Star

Lenexa police now have unabridged access to lists of individuals renting storage units within the city.

Through what will probably be monthly checks of those lists, police say, they will be able to take a proactive approach to stopping crimes in storage units — a national trend that has shown up in the Kansas City area.

In April, investigators found drugs and firearms in storage lockers in Kansas City, Kan., and Merriam. The lockers were rented to a Leavenworth man who was charged in U.S. District Court.

Several cities around the nation have instituted programs that encourage the owners of storage facilities to work with police.

Last week, the Lenexa City Council voted to require managers of storage facilities to maintain a register of users — including each renter’s home address, phone number and a copy of a driver’s license or other reliable identification — and to allow police access to the register.

Lenexa police think the city is the first in the metropolitan area to take this approach, and a representative from a national association for self-storage facility owners said he knew of no other city with similar requirements.

Police said the managers of the six storage facilities in Lenexa supported the requirements.

Their national counterparts didn’t embrace the idea, though, citing privacy concerns.

City attorney Cindy Harmison said the requirement wasn’t a violation of privacy because officers would have access only to public information.

“We’re not asking for any information that is privileged,” she said. “It’s the same information that is required of individuals who are renting a room within Lenexa at a hotel or motel.”

In 1997, the city adopted the same registration requirements for managers of hotels and motels.

“This seemed like a natural extension of our existing ordinance for hotel registration lists, which has proven to be a tremendous benefit for our community,” said Lenexa Officer David Lewis-Jones, who represented the Police Department at the council meeting. “We’ve taken a lot of bad people into custody based on information from those registration lists.”

Lewis-Jones said having access to the registration lists helps police identify people who have criminal records that suggest they could be using the storage unit for criminal activities, such as methamphetamine labs or to hide stolen property.

“We’re looking at the people who have been arrested several times in the recent past and obviously have ongoing criminal enterprises,” Lewis-Jones said. “If you’re talking about a 40-year-old who made a mistake when he was 18 and has been a good guy ever since — we’re not interested, and the last thing we intend to do is bother law-abiding citizens.”
Storage unit crimes

A few examples of crimes tied to storage units:

•Bonner Springs: In February, Toby Young rented a storage unit the week before using her cargo van to help convicted murderer John M. Manard escape from Lansing Correctional Facility. After leaving the van at the storage unit, Young and Manard disappeared for 12 days before being captured in a rural Tennessee cabin.

•Lancaster, Pa.: In August, a homemade bomb, an arsenal of firearms, 30 marijuana plants and drug paraphernalia were found in a storage unit.

•Mobile, Ala: In June, a methamphetamine lab set up in a storage unit exploded, killing a man who was producing the drug.

•Danville, N.H.: In June, police recovered thousands of dollars’ worth of stolen goods that had been stashed in a storage unit. Stolen items included a hot tub, snowmobile trailer, air conditioners, appliances and kitchen cabinets.
To reach Edie Hall, call (816) 234-7725 or send e-mail to [email protected].
 
And if the (alleged) perpetrators of the four specific crimes cited did not have prior criminal records ... exactly how would turning over a list with their names on it have helped in any way to either prevent the crimes or catch the (alleged) perps?
 
I am of mixed feeling here.

Knowing that I have rented a storage shed, where I keep my tools and the jeep that I work on, (weekends permitting) keeps the constabulary happy...no problem here.

Unannounced inspections on same property, big problem. The same goes for "unoffical questioning".

I think that we all here are worried that "they" will box us in to the point where we have nowhere that we can be private.

If you think that hiding your "stuff" is better done in an offsite location that you don't own, consider this:

Wife forgets to send the monthly payment, once or twice in a row. The owner owns your stuff, and inventories it.

Unless said owner has a molon labe sticker on the door of the office, he's probably calling the law on you.

That same 'stuff' under your bed: If they come looking, they probably had a reason already.

I see the ordinance in question addressing a real concern. When Bad Boy Billy, the burglary kingpin, transvestite-prostitute, meth dealer/manufacturer gets a warrant served on him for trafficing in kidde-porn at the local motel ( his home of residence) I don't have a problem with "them" looking in the data base for his "den".

Of course, failing that, I guess they could follow Billy to work.
 
There is one thing certain. Some police will go to any extreme to gather information on everyone, always having some justification and able to show that they were able to solve some crime by maintaining huge data bases.

They will also insist that they only gather public information. Even if that were so (it isn't) they compile information that in the aggregate is private. If the post office can read the address on your Guns & Ammo, that makes the fact that you subscribe to a gun magazine public information. Since BATFE can look at the gun shop's 4473 forms, that also is "public" information.

Plus your address and phone number (phone book), e-mail address (Yahoo), directions to your home (also Yahoo), political party (voting records), etc., etc. Police can gather all this info without you knowing about it. Then they get hotel registration records, auto records, home financing records, and on and on. All this information is gathered and correlated at vast cost to the taxpayers for no very good reason except to satisfy the ego of power-mad law enforcement bosses.

The trap we always fall into is "if we can prevent..." The nut group that urged the summary execution of everyone even suspected of ever having owned a gun justified their position as being worth it "to save one innocent life." I am sure Hitler and Himmler gave some similar reason for their death camps.

Jim
 
You know, I have wondered whether there is a market for a gun-storage company...

Mostly that was brought on by the unease I had when leaving on vacation and leaving the guns behind. This would be another reason to be uneasy...
 
Well, if you just want somewhere to stash them for a vacation, any reputable pawn shop is a good bet; oil them up properly, stuff them in gunsocks, and pawn them in whatever size lots the shop will allow for $5 (usually the minimum loan amount) per lot, and if you're going to be gone over a month, arrange to have someone renew the loan ($1 per lot) for you. PIckup should be about $6 per lot.

If they look at you funny, just tell them exactly what you're doing, and maybe offer to up the loan amount a bit so they can collect a bit more interest for their trouble. When I worked at a pawn shop, it wasn't uncommon for some hunters to do this with their expensive rifles for out-of-state hunts (TX whitetail doesn't take much gun, and these guys were pawning 460Wby and similar) just because we would secure them and take care of them for as little as $1/mo.
 
I think storage sites get robbed to often to store my guns there.
Maybe a very secure storage like for furs & paintings but I'd rather invest in a $5000 Safe (tl30 rated) than pay $100 or more a month for years on end.
Besides I like to take them out f the safe and look/clean them occasionally and I don't want to drive to a storage facility to do that.
 
I think storage sites get robbed to often to store my guns there.
Quite often, in fact. The thieves will use fake ID to rent a storage unit, pay cash, then one quiet day will leave a couple in the storage unit. After closing, the two thieves will 'tunnel' through all the storage units to see what they can find.

Another scenario, fake ID, cash, set up cache of weapons and explosives for other terrorists to use.

Pilgrim
 
I'm with Pilgrim. Couple of years ago I did some business with a guy who once owned a nice collection of revolvers which he stored in a rented storage unit. He had one revolver when I met him and he had bought it since all the others had been stolen.
 
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Jim Keenan - Excellent post sir!

Rationaliziing Tyranny
is what I call it.

Any and everything can be Good or Evil. It is always the INTENT of the persons, not the "thing" itself.

Nuclear - we get energy from reactors, medicines
Opiates, - we again get medicines perscribed and used in the medical profession.
Matches, guns, knives...etc.

Local to me are databases in participating Drug Stores that keep track of folks buying Sudaphed. This is to Prevent and Fight the War on Meth.

Intent being, drug stores know how many boxes a person buys in a month as statues state here. If a person purchases (attempts to ) go down the road and buy more Sudaphed, a red flag goes up and Authorites are called.

What if the wife buys Sudaphed during running nose season and the husband does not know she did, and the kids are sick, and being underage, husband goes to buy Sudaphed? Red Flag, this family MUST be meth heads so sayth the database.

What else does / can this database be used for? Maybe a person drops meds in the toilet, has the doctor call in another 'script. Is this database going to cause a geriatric to be busted because "maybe" this geriatric is selling
scripted meds on the street?

All in the name of War on ____ of course.
 
Yes, registration is a great idea...

if you want to start a collection of aliases.

How many criminals are going to use their real names and addresses when renting anything? Guess who the biggest runners of identity theft rings are? Meth heads!

Registration of storage units is the same as registration of anything else, an excuse to keep tabs on law abiding citizens while letting the perps slip through.

I noticed the examples they gave were on crimes committed using a storage facility, not ones stopped by using a registration system. Has registration of firearms stopped unlawful use of firearms? Has registration of cars stopped drunk driving or unlicensed drivers?

Dumb and dumber. Will we ever learn that registration only works for law-abiding citizens, not for CRIMINALS! Maybe a few clueless ones get snagged but even they will learn after the first 30 days in jail.
 
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