Boston is losing it's mind..bullet control

[Byron Quick]

Hey, we need to tell these politicians that they can cut down on speeding, auto accidents, and attendant deaths by cutting off the supply of gasoline. We can cut down on public corruption by cutting off the money supply...or the politician supply.

I've got a radical suggestion for them: criminal control.

 

[lucky_fool]

The only thing micro-emgraving is going to do is make guns and ammo more expensive for honest citizens. This attempt to price people out of the market is just a sneaky way to get the same effect as a outright ban.

There's a good chance that it would lead to no new gun sales in Massachusetts at all, which may be the real goal. With all the draconian laws there already how high could profits from MA sales be? Lower than the cost of retooling the production line to suit one state maybe, especially for a smaller manufacturer. The laser equipment to do the etching can't be cheap.

 

[Missashot]

As my dear old Mom calls them "Educated idiots"! :banghead:
Makes me wonder how these people survive in the real world.

 

[depicts]

another thought

something I wanted to add. They mayor doesn't have any authority in the rest of the state. He's proposing this just for the city of Boston. So if someone lived a mile out of the city, they could still buy ammo. That's how stupid this is.

Of course the lawmakers in Mass are almost all anti gun. There are a few who support our gun rights, but they have a hard fight on their hands. At the federal level we have Senators Kennedy and Kerry....no comment needed there.

Barney Frank is my Federal Rep. He's a smart man. Recognized years ago that the gun issue was a loser for the Democrats, and said so. I don't see him as a "gun rights" person, but he isn't going out of his way to make waves either.

 

[danurve]

Sounds like quite the cesspool in Boston.
Wonder what Ben Franklin would have to say about this.

 

[carlrodd]

politicians are not committed to fighting violent crime. violent crime is an epidemic, but only in specific communities, and politicians have no problem allowing that epidemic to continue, because they see that it is and will continue to be very much contained. if they were interested in fighting crime in those communities, they would come up with methods that are specifically tailored to them. they would also address the root of the epidemic, which is merely a symptom of much bigger social and economic problems in those communities.

hence, the new response to anti-gun people, is to ask why they hate guns so much, because clearly their rabid gun control nonsense has nothing to do with actually addressing the problem of violent crime.

perhaps we could start putting the screws to them about not addressing the concerns of minorities in urban areas. is the mayor of boston white? if so, maybe there is some racism there, if he so lacks motivation to practically address a problem that is of great concern to his black urban constituents. perhaps john street, mayor of philadelphia has simply forsaken the plight of his black constituents, and has willingly lost touch with his roots.

how many conversations do you think go on all the time amongst politicians about letting black people and hispanic people "kill themselves"? ever read dune? on the desert planet of arrakis, enough water to flood the planet and "change the face of arrakis" is stored in vast containers and caverns underground. it is intentionally kept off the surface so that harvesters can gather melange spice that is found deposited in the sands. yet, to the rest of the galaxy, this is all a mystery. who wouldn't want a lush paradise in lieu of a desert? the people that wouldn't want it, are those in control that benefit from the selling of the spice. great story; go read it if you haven't.

how does it apply to violence in urban minority communities? politicians benefit from poor, drug-addicted, violence-stricken minority communities. politicians, most notably Democrats, count on the votes of of those communities. they have them convinced that they understand their plight. if they didn't have a plight, because politicians actually started addressing their problems, then the politicians would lose the votes. who wouldn't want peaceful, fruitful, productive urban minority communities? politicians. corrupt politicians have NOTHING to gain from changing the face of such communities. they have everything to gain from keeping them the way they are. very depressing. most big city mayors are nothing but glorified pimps and pushers, literally.

 

[Igloodude]

A pretty good bit of technical info on microstamping can be found in this document (if you can get past the anti BS, that is).

http://www.csgv.org/docUploads/FINAL%20report%2Epdf

Thanks for the link. You're correct about the technical info, and the anti BS in it. The author points out more than once that microstamping could have enabled law enforcement to track down the DC snipers without bothering to remember that criminals that go so far as to modify their car to permit unseen sniping would very likely have the expertise and wherewithall to modify their rifle to defeat microstamping.

 

[Tory]

You shouldn't have to ask...

"Wonder what Ben Franklin would have to say about this."


THIS: Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

To which I would add: Nor will they have them.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I think that a law should be passed to make all government official (Local, State, and Federal, LEOs, Senetors, Judges, etc) should be treated exactly the same an each average law abiding citizen. If a law-abiding person in California can't get a CCW permit then neither can Dianne Feinstien. If a local grocery store clerk can own a firearm then neither should a Judge. Let's see how law makers like it if they are treated exactly like us.

Ohh... and ban Ted Kennedy from owning and driving a car.

 

[Bart Noir]

The author points out more than once that microstamping could have enabled law enforcement to track down the DC snipers.......

Then that author didn't know much about his subject. That rifle was stolen from a gun shop in Tacoma, WA. So, knowing that from the cartridge case that just happened to eject, then bounce around the trunk of the car until it flew out the gunner's firing port that you mentioned, how would the police be any closer to finding the shooter?

Bart Noir

 

[ball3006]

What, me worry......

nope..........the chances of me buying a firearm with a microstamped part are less than never...........as SWMBO says on a regular basis, what do you need another gun for....in this case, she may be right.....been reloading for 40 some years. Nothing new there........As for brass, I always leave the range with more brass than I take. I have coffee cans full of brass that I don't even have a gun for........Simple solution, buy a dremel tool.......chris3

 

[Master Blaster]

What's been proposed isn't serializing ammunition, it's requiring gun makers to micro-engrave the firing pin and/or breechface to stamp the gun's model and S/N onto the primer and case.

Apparently they are unaware that Files, and sand paper are sold legally in any hardware store or wallyworld, and can be used to remove the serial number or mark from any part of the gun that will do the stamping for under $1 and a less than 5 second effort. They need to pass a law creating a AOID card, and Abrasive owners id card to regulate the sale of abrasives.

Similarly they are unaware that criminals have been hotwiring and stealing cars, which have elaborate anti theft devices and alarms and weigh several thousand plounds, surely they could also figure out how to hot wire a personalized firearm as well???

Naahhh would require thought.

 

[Logan5]

It would be a de facto ban on spare parts, depending upon what piece did the "microstamping". If the microstamp were to be fireformed into the case, you're looking at no more FFL free slides/barrels/firing pins, AR uppers, etc, and probably no more shooting ranges that don't have RO's catching your brass in their hands as it's ejected. Hence, no more ranges. No more commercial reloads. No more reloading equipment sales via catalog order, if at all. As usual, a proposal by the ignorant, with all the downstream consequences not mentioned, but eventually necessary if it goes through, undluly restrictive, easily defeated, and completely impractical. We've obviously had quite a problem with people forging US $20's in the past five years, given the design changes, but no one thinks they can do whatever they want with microstamping? Think again...